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The First Shot
Jerry Freeman:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 23, 2020, 04:16:56 PM ---Hi Jerry,
was hoping to get a discussion going on when the first shot occurred. What's your thoughts on that?
I know some researchers favour a shot very early on in Zapruder, even pre-z133, but I'm finding evidence to support a later first shot.
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My thoughts lie in the realm that a single gunman theory falls flat in view of all the wounds that the victims received. Remember that James Tague was struck by debris from a separate shot.
Quickly... http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/history/zapruder.html
Joffrey van de Wiel:
--- Quote from: Jerry Freeman on September 24, 2020, 04:30:38 PM ---My thoughts lie in the realm that a single gunman theory falls flat in view of all the wounds that the victims received. Remember that James Tague was struck by debris from a separate shot.
Quickly... http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/history/zapruder.html
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The missed shot that hit Tague is the reason the single bullet theory came into being. Otherwise one could argue that the first shot hit the President, the second the Governor and the third is the headshot. Three shots, three bullets, three hits. Deduct one bullet for the Tague hit and the Commission found itself up shit creek without a paddle. So it needed the single bullet theory to support its single assassin conclusion, despite the misgivings and objections of some Commission members, and the contradictory evidence provided by Governor Connally.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Jerry Freeman on September 24, 2020, 04:30:38 PM ---My thoughts lie in the realm that a single gunman theory falls flat in view of all the wounds that the victims received. Remember that James Tague was struck by debris from a separate shot.
Quickly... http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/history/zapruder.html
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In the link you provide Tague is hit well before z207. Zapruder shows no meaningful reaction from agents Hickey, Landis or Ready up to that point, who all testify they reacted immediately to the first shot, turning to look "rear right". Zapruder refutes this model. The first shot must come after z207.
At the moment I have it something like this:
1st shot - z223 - passes through JFK and Connally
2nd shot - z313 - headshot
3rd shot - ? - hits piece of concrete south side of Elm, fragment goes on to hit Tague (maybe ?)
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on September 24, 2020, 05:35:39 PM ---The autopsy concluded there was a neck transit. Therefore, in theory, the bullet that emerged intact from the President's throat had to be accounted for. What was in the path of the bullet, in front of and slightly below the President? Connally.
Tague was not the defining issue with regard to the SBT. He could have been injured by a ricochet fragment on what some consider a missed first shot or a rogue metal fragment from the head shot.
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What does this tell us about when the first shot occurred?
(assuming 3 shots from TSBD)
John Tonkovich:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 24, 2020, 04:52:42 PM ---In the link you provide Tague is hit well before z207. Zapruder shows no meaningful reaction from agents Hickey, Landis or Ready up to that point, who all testify they reacted immediately to the first shot, turning to look "rear right". Zapruder refutes this model. The first shot must come after z207.
At the moment I have it something like this:
1st shot - z223 - passes through JFK and Connally
2nd shot - z313 - headshot
3rd shot - ? - hits piece of concrete south side of Elm, fragment goes on to hit Tague
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The West survey, as revealed by the late Tom Purvis, shows that SS, FBI etc. ..knew the location of hits.
Z207
Z312
Z350
Connally seems quite mobile at Z275, and upright. Not the actions of a man who had a massive back, chest wound.
Might want to consider the political future of a man who did nothing to protect JFK.
Also, his WC testimony ends with an apology of sorts. For not doing anything. Very telling.
Well worth reading.
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