Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory

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Offline Ted Shields

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2020, 01:14:29 PM »
From a common sense point of view, why would "they" plant a near pristine bullet? Surely they would've known this would arouse suspicion? Why not plant a smashed up bullet?
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2020, 03:21:06 PM »
From a common sense point of view, why would "they" plant a near pristine bullet? Surely they would've known this would arouse suspicion? Why not plant a smashed up bullet?

Because at that point no one knew that they were going to have to concoct the single-bullet theory. No one knew that Jackie was going to throw a monkey wrench into the cover-up plans by insisting that the autopsy be done at Bethesda instead of Walter Reed, as we now know from newly discovered Air Force One tapes.

And, yes, lots of bullets could make a 3-5 mm entry wound. You guys do realize that there are lots of other sizes of bullets besides 6.5 mm, right? Entry wounds in skin over soft tissue can be slightly smaller than the diameter of the bullet. So there is nothing unusual about a 3-5 mm entry wound in such cases.

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2020, 04:47:47 PM »
Because at that point no one knew that they were going to have to concoct the single-bullet theory. No one knew that Jackie was going to throw a monkey wrench into the cover-up plans by insisting that the autopsy be done at Bethesda instead of Walter Reed, as we now know from newly discovered Air Force One tapes.

And, yes, lots of bullets could make a 3-5 mm entry wound. You guys do realize that there are lots of other sizes of bullets besides 6.5 mm, right? Entry wounds in skin over soft tissue can be slightly smaller than the diameter of the bullet. So there is nothing unusual about a 3-5 mm entry wound in such cases.


The cover-up plans??? You make this up on the fly or sit around for hours pontificating?

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2020, 05:02:28 PM »
I believe this is perhaps the image that Jerry Freeman struggled to find:



If that deformation to the base of the bullet occurred upon firing the projectile, and not from striking Connally’s rib, the bullet would never had been able to pass through the barrel of the rifle.

Deformation upon firing, HA.

If that deformation to the base of the bullet occurred upon firing the projectile, and not from striking Connally’s rib, the bullet would never had been able to pass through the barrel of the rifle.

That may be true. I don't know enough about weapons to comment, but I can ask you how you know that this particular bullet struck Connally's rib?

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2020, 05:09:40 PM »
From a common sense point of view, why would "they" plant a near pristine bullet? Surely they would've known this would arouse suspicion? Why not plant a smashed up bullet?

Who said they (whoever "they" are) planted any bullet?

What if the bullet found by Tomlinson was indeed a different one (just like Wright told Josiah Thompson) and completely unrelated to the JFK murder? ...

Nobody in the chain of custody could identify the bullet, now in evidence as CE399, until it got to the FBI lab. As the rifle was also there, it would be easy to shoot some test rounds and "mix up" the bullets.... I'm not saying this happened, but it is within the realm of possibilities. Who knows what went on in the FBI lab during the first 24 hours after the murder....
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2020, 05:59:11 PM »
From a common sense point of view, why would "they" plant a near pristine bullet?
Note that even Mr Shields refers to 'a near pristine bullet'. And he is correct.
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If that deformation to the base of the bullet occurred upon firing the projectile, and not from striking Connally’s rib, the bullet would never had been able to pass through the barrel of the rifle.
What an absurd statement. What would the bullet do---get stuck 1/2 way down the barrel? :D
That may be true. I don't know enough about weapons to comment, but I can ask you how you know that this particular bullet struck Connally's rib?
  He absolutely 'knows' that CE 399 stuck and wounded two people because his brain is glued to the Warren Report. 

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Re: Three Problems with the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2020, 06:11:58 PM »
The cover-up plans??? You make this up on the fly or sit around for hours pontificating?

Yes, the cover-up plans, as evidenced by the numerous Dealey Plaza witnesses who had their cameras and/or film taken, by the phony Secret Service agents in Dealey Plaza, by the Secret Service's forceful stealing of the body from Parkland Hospital to prevent a genuine autopsy from being performed on it, by the silencing of Oswald by Jack Ruby, by the murder of numerous witnesses and private researchers, by the disappearance of bullet fragments found during the autopsy, etc., etc., etc.

I'm guessing you know nothing about the new version of the Air Force One tapes that surfaced a few years ago, right? We now know that the plan was to separate Jackie from the casket but that she adamantly refused to go along, and that the Secret Service arranged for the body to be transported by helicopter to Bethesda.


https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/the-af1-tapes-and-subsequent-events-at-andrews-afb-on-november-22-1963-what-was-supposed-to-happen-vs-what-did-happen/

The segment about the Air Force One tapes, the body, the casket, and Jackie and the body/casket starts at about 58:17:

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