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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3496 on: January 22, 2021, 07:07:31 PM »
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Yes. In some states - West Virginia for example - the program is running smoothly. In others, not so much. In some countries - Israel for example - they are quickly vaccinating people. In other countries, it's dragging.

What's remarkable about Trump and the pandemic is that he DIDN'T try to use it to consolidate power. History shows that dictators like to use a crisis - real or faked - to concentrate power, to gather more of it, to use it. The Reichstag fire is the classic example.

But here Trump didn't want to gain more power. In fact, he let the states make their decisions. If Trump was a dictator wannabe then why did he act like this?

Look, I'm glad he's gone. He was a narcisstic conman who had no business being president. The assault on the Capitol was utterly disgraceful. But he was not another Hitler or other absurd claims. "Deranged devil"? I mean this is fanaticism.

When Trump did try to exert influence with the states - as in the attacks in Portland and Seattle - he was told he had no authority to interfere.  When he did not, we were told he was not doing his job.  It was an endless game to thwart him.  No matter what he did, it was criticized.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3497 on: January 22, 2021, 07:12:49 PM »
When Trump did try to exert influence with the states - as in the attacks in Portland and Seattle - he was told he had no authority to interfere.  When he did not, we were told he was not doing his job.  It was an endless game to thwart him.  No matter what he did, it was criticized.
The liberal establishment has been radicalized by his presidency. This "woke" nonsense, the abandonment of objectivity by the media, the over the top shrill characterization of him and his presidency. From day one.

He was unsuited for the office; he viewed nearly everything as a transaction for his benefit; he misused and abused his powers. He was mean and petty and awful. You can't just say, "Well he had good policies." The presidency is more than that. If he had acted responsibly during the pandemic - not pick fights with the media - and not tweeted all of that garbage he would have been re-elected. He's got no one to blame but himself.

Both things can be true: he was treated abysmally by the liberal establishment AND he was reckless as a president.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3498 on: January 22, 2021, 07:38:50 PM »
The liberal establishment has been radicalized by his presidency. This "woke" nonsense, the abandonment of objectivity by the media, the over the top shrill characterization of him and his presidency. From day one.

He was unsuited for the office; he viewed nearly everything as a transaction for his benefit; he misused and abused his powers. He was mean and petty and awful. You can't just say, "Well he had good policies." The presidency is more than that. If he had acted responsibly during the pandemic - not pick fights with the media - and not tweeted all of that garbage he would have been re-elected. He's got no one to blame but himself.

Both things can be true: he was treated abysmally by the liberal establishment AND he was reckless as a president.

That is a fair statement.  I agree that Trump's messaging was often terrible.  He was often his own worst enemy.  In part because he was always put on the defensive by the media and establishment politicians both on the left and right.  But if you ignored his childish rhetoric, he often produced results.  The media and politicians are about shaping perception - not actual results.  That is why Trump was elected in the first place.  No outsider like Trump will ever have an opportunity to break through the stranglehold these people have on the power structure.  They used every tool to undermine his administration because it posed a threat to their power structure.  Biden is a return to establishment politics.  There may be some benefits to stability.  Many people are simply exhausted by the endless conflicts between the media and Trump. But that will be offset in the long term by the return to corruption, incompetence, and hypocrisy. 
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3499 on: January 22, 2021, 07:49:14 PM »
That is a fair statement.  I agree that Trump's messaging was often terrible.  He was often his own worst enemy.  In part because he was always put on the defensive by the media and establishment politicians both on the left and right.  But if you ignored his childish rhetoric, he often produced results.  The media and politicians are about shaping perception - not actual results.  That is why Trump was elected in the first place.  No outsider like Trump will ever have an opportunity to break through the stranglehold these people have on the power structure.  They used every tool to undermine his administration because it posed a threat to their power structure.  Biden is a return to establishment politics.  There may be some benefits to stability.  Many people are simply exhausted by the endless conflicts between the media and Trump. But that will be offset in the long term by the return to corruption, incompetence, and hypocrisy.

the return to corruption, incompetence, and hypocrisy.

the return? Really? Are you under the illusion it ever was gone?

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« Reply #3500 on: January 22, 2021, 09:57:25 PM »
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3501 on: January 23, 2021, 12:55:44 AM »
Fourteen Points of Fascism

    
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
 

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of  need. The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
 

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
 

4. Supremacy of the Military

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
 

5. Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
 

6. Controlled Mass Media

Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
 

7. Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
 

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
 

9. Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
 

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
 

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
 

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
 

14. Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

`Fascism Anyone?,' by Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, identifies social and political agendas common to fascist regimes. His comparisons of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and Pinochet yielded this list of 14 `identifying characteristics' of fascism.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3502 on: January 23, 2021, 12:59:52 AM »
Why are you spreading a debunked fake CNN story?  Fauci confirmed yesterday there is a vaccine plan.  About 15 million people received the vaccine before China Joe took office.  What are you going to do now since Trump is gone?  Ask some family member or friend if it is healthy to post tens of thousands of times on a JFK forum about Trump. It's creepy.  Try to move on.

There is no vaccine plan because the vaccine roll out has failed. Ask a health professional if it's normal to worship an orange fraud like you do. 

WHY IS THE COVID-19 VACCINE ROLLOUT FAILING—AND HOW CAN IT BE FIXED?
https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/01/04/why-is-the-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-failing-and-how-can-it-be-fixed/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3503 on: January 23, 2021, 04:52:17 AM »
The odds of conviction in the Senate just went up even more. New evidence come out against Criminal Trump and his obsession to install himself as dictator attempting a coup to steal the election.

Bombshell report: Trump tried to oust acting AG to overturn the election results
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-overturn-election-2650072862/