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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2709 on: December 06, 2020, 05:10:54 PM »
The U.S. COVID-19 death rate has now dropped below 2%. As of this morning, it is 1.92% (281,000 deaths/14.7 million cases). This means the average survival rate is 98.08%.

Yet, Democratic governors have learned nothing and are once again reflexively resorting to one-size-fits-all lockdown measures. Democrats still refuse--just refuse--to base their response measures on the readily available data that prove that for most Americans, COVID-19 poses either an astronomically low risk, a very low risk, or a low risk, depending on your age group. But Democrats simply refuse to consider this crucial, profusely documented fact.

Since Gov. Gavin Panic Newsom is re-imposing lockdown measures, let's take a look at California's COVID-19 numbers from the state's department of health website:

ALL AGES
Cases: 1.31 million
Deaths: 19,800 deaths
Death rate: 1.51%

AGES 0-17
Cases: 147,807
Deaths: 2
Death rate: 0.0014% (110 times * lower* than the common flu's death rate of 0.15%-0.25%)
11.3% of state's cases
0.0001% of state's deaths

AGES 18-49
Cases: 780,365
Deaths: 1,411
Death rate: 1.11% (survival rate: 98.89%)
59.5% of state's cases
7.1% of state's deaths

AGES 50-64
Cases: 246,393
Deaths: 3,782
Death rate: 1.535% (survival rate: 98.465%)
18.8% of state's cases
19.1% of state's deaths

AGES 65-100
Cases: 135,981
Deaths: 14,612
Death rate: 10.75% (survival rate: 89.25%)
10.4% of state's cases
73.8% of state's deaths

Don't believe it? Here's the website:

https://data.ca.gov/dataset/covid-19-cases/resource/339d1c4d-77ab-44a2-9b40-745e64e335f2

Without the lockdowns, there would be no emergency or IC healthcare in the most covid-19 affected areas, and you have the intelligence to grasp this reality but you are too politicized to focus on it. Doctors, nurses, respiration specialists are already pushed to the extreme. They have no family life, patients die in their arms or in no arms. Family cannot visit. These care providers have become sick and died in troubling numbers, at least one thousand, by five months agp. The long term effects of covid-19.... it does untolled vascular system damage from the kidneys to the brain, is ignored by you.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/
The Atlantic
COVID-19's Third Surge Is Breaking Health-Care Workers
But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: ... But when an ICU is packed with COVID-19 patients, most of whom are likely to die, “to protect yourself, you just shut down ... This need not involve a lockdown.
3 weeks ago

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/publications/health-system-edition/2020/november2020/covid-19-is-linked-to-cardiovascular-complications
COVID-19 Is Linked to Cardiovascular Complications
COVID-19 has been associated with direct and indirect ... storm, which affects the blood vessels, brain, heart muscles, kidneys, and liver.
3 weeks ago

https://khn.org/news/clots-strokes-and-rashes-is-covid-a-disease-of-the-blood-vessels/
Clots, Strokes and Rashes: Is COVID a Disease of the Blood Vessels?
Those reveal that the virus warps a critical piece of our vascular infrastructure: ... may link many of COVID-19's complications: “the effects in the brain, the ... the legs, the COVID toe, the problem with the kidneys and even the heart. ... “In COVID-19 patients, we have both of these markers of dysfunction,” said ...
3 weeks ago

Chew on this.:

https://www.amazon.com/WEIRDest-People-World-Psychologically-Particularly/dp/0374173222/
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2710 on: December 06, 2020, 06:07:38 PM »
The U.S. COVID-19 death rate has now dropped below 2%. As of this morning, it is 1.92% (281,000 deaths/14.7 million cases). This means the average survival rate is 98.08%.

Yet, Democratic governors have learned nothing and are once again reflexively resorting to one-size-fits-all lockdown measures. Democrats still refuse--just refuse--to base their response measures on the readily available data that prove that for most Americans, COVID-19 poses either an astronomically low risk, a very low risk, or a low risk, depending on your age group. But Democrats simply refuse to consider this crucial, profusely documented fact.

Since Gov. Gavin Panic Newsom is re-imposing lockdown measures, let's take a look at California's COVID-19 numbers from the state's department of health website:

ALL AGES
Cases: 1.31 million
Deaths: 19,800 deaths
Death rate: 1.51%

AGES 0-17
Cases: 147,807
Deaths: 2
Death rate: 0.0014% (110 times * lower* than the common flu's death rate of 0.15%-0.25%)
11.3% of state's cases
0.0001% of state's deaths

AGES 18-49
Cases: 780,365
Deaths: 1,411
Death rate: 1.11% (survival rate: 98.89%)
59.5% of state's cases
7.1% of state's deaths

AGES 50-64
Cases: 246,393
Deaths: 3,782
Death rate: 1.535% (survival rate: 98.465%)
18.8% of state's cases
19.1% of state's deaths

AGES 65-100
Cases: 135,981
Deaths: 14,612
Death rate: 10.75% (survival rate: 89.25%)
10.4% of state's cases
73.8% of state's deaths

Don't believe it? Here's the website:

https://data.ca.gov/dataset/covid-19-cases/resource/339d1c4d-77ab-44a2-9b40-745e64e335f2

To put this in a common context, consider that your odds of rolling double sixes with one roll of a pair of dice are 1/36, or 2.77%. Suppose you were offered the chance to win $5 million by rolling double sixes but on the condition that if you failed, your retirement account would be cut by 80%. Virtually no one would take that gamble, because the odds of winning would be extremely low. For ages 0-64, the odds of dying from COVID-19 are even lower than the odds of rolling double sixes.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2711 on: December 06, 2020, 06:57:00 PM »
To put this in a common context, consider that your odds of rolling double sixes with one roll of a pair of dice are 1/36, or 2.77%. Suppose you were offered the chance to win $5 million by rolling double sixes but on the condition that if you failed, your retirement account would be cut by 80%. Virtually no one would take that gamble, because the odds of winning would be extremely low. For ages 0-64, the odds of dying from COVID-19 are even lower than the odds of rolling double sixes.

You still haven't understood. It's not about the odds of dying for an individual that the lock downs are needed. It's to prevent that the virus spreads as quickly as it has been doing and limit the risk that non symptomatic people infect other vulnerable people.

The ignorance and selfishness you are displaying is one of the main reasons so many vulnerable people have already died.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2712 on: December 06, 2020, 10:00:41 PM »
COVID-19 was ranked as the leading cause of death in the U.S. this week, with 11,820, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. That's more than the number of Americans who died from ischemic heart disease (10,724), tracheal, bronchus and lung cancer (3,965), and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (3,766)

Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2713 on: December 07, 2020, 12:27:22 AM »
Richard tells us "masks don't work". Well, if Rudy wore a mask he wouldn't be in the hospital right now with COVID. Who knows how many people this lunatic infected.

Rudy Giuliani admitted to hospital after COVID-19 diagnosis: Sources
https://abc11.com/rudy-giuliani-covid-trump-tweet-coronavirus-2020-election-results/8558701/


Lame Duck Donald was never popular as his approval rating never even hit 50% once.

Biden's already more popular than Trump's ever been
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/politics/biden-trump-popularity-analysis/index.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2714 on: December 07, 2020, 12:43:07 AM »
The U.S. COVID-19 death rate has now dropped below 2%. As of this morning, it is 1.92% (281,000 deaths/14.7 million cases). This means the average survival rate is 98.08%.

Yet, Democratic governors have learned nothing and are once again reflexively resorting to one-size-fits-all lockdown measures. Democrats still refuse--just refuse--to base their response measures on the readily available data that prove that for most Americans, COVID-19 poses either an astronomically low risk, a very low risk, or a low risk, depending on your age group. But Democrats simply refuse to consider this crucial, profusely documented fact.

Since Gov. Gavin Panic Newsom is re-imposing lockdown measures, let's take a look at California's COVID-19 numbers from the state's department of health website:

ALL AGES
Cases: 1.31 million
Deaths: 19,800 deaths
Death rate: 1.51%

AGES 0-17
Cases: 147,807
Deaths: 2
Death rate: 0.0014% (110 times * lower* than the common flu's death rate of 0.15%-0.25%)
11.3% of state's cases
0.0001% of state's deaths

AGES 18-49
Cases: 780,365
Deaths: 1,411
Death rate: 1.11% (survival rate: 98.89%)
59.5% of state's cases
7.1% of state's deaths

AGES 50-64
Cases: 246,393
Deaths: 3,782
Death rate: 1.535% (survival rate: 98.465%)
18.8% of state's cases
19.1% of state's deaths

AGES 65-100
Cases: 135,981
Deaths: 14,612
Death rate: 10.75% (survival rate: 89.25%)
10.4% of state's cases
73.8% of state's deaths

Don't believe it? Here's the website:

https://data.ca.gov/dataset/covid-19-cases/resource/339d1c4d-77ab-44a2-9b40-745e64e335f2

BS:

Why do you insist on posting severe disinformation on COVID-19?

North Carolina has an all time high in hospitalizations. Over 1 million new cases were recorded in the last 5 days. States are running out of hospital beds. Record deaths are being recorded in every state. Yet, Michael T Griffith continues to post garbage claiming COVID-19 is "low risk". You are posting very dangerous disinformation.     

"Low risk" Griffith? We basically have a 9/11 death total each day. 

US. Hits 100,000 COVID-19 Hospitalizations, Breaks Daily Death Record
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/02/941902471/u-s-hits-100-000-covid-19-hospitalizations-breaks-daily-death-record

America’s failures have led to a new daily record in Covid-19 deaths: The number of daily Covid-19 deaths in the US is now about the same as the number of people who died on 9/11
https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2020/12/3/22150299/us-covid-19-deaths-yesterday-record-9-11

U.S. Records Highest Daily Coronavirus Death Toll Yet as it Tops 14 Million Cases: A forecast from the CDC estimates that the country could see a similar daily death toll in the week leading up to Christmas Day
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-12-03/us-records-highest-daily-coronavirus-death-toll-yet-as-it-tops-14-million-cases

PA again sees highest daily increase of COVID-19 cases with nearly 13,000 reported
https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/pa-again-sees-highest-daily-increase-covid-19-cases-with-nearly-13000/RC7RFMAFUZGWHJXBJPTFM4EHLA/
 
COVID-19 cases in Arizona skyrocket 37,458 in last 6 days
https://azbigmedia.com/business/covid-19-cases-in-arizona-skyrocket-37458-in-last-6-days/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2715 on: December 07, 2020, 01:04:12 AM »
To put this in a common context, consider that your odds of rolling double sixes with one roll of a pair of dice are 1/36, or 2.77%. Suppose you were offered the chance to win $5 million by rolling double sixes but on the condition that if you failed, your retirement account would be cut by 80%. Virtually no one would take that gamble, because the odds of winning would be extremely low. For ages 0-64, the odds of dying from COVID-19 are even lower than the odds of rolling double sixes.

 BS:

According to Michael T Griffith if you're 64 then you're immune to COVID, but soon as you hit 65 a couple of months later, then you're at "high risk". That's the bogus right wing propaganda and conspiracies he listens to. Absolutely ridiculous. He has no clue what he's talking about. COVID-19 is killing people of ALL ages including children and young adults, because this is a deadly virus.

Young people are at risk of severe Covid-19 illness: The CDC finds that coronavirus infections are now highest among young adults ages 20 to 29, who accounted for more than 20 percent of all confirmed cases from June to August
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/young-people-are-risk-severe-covid-19-illness-n1240761

The Virus Is Killing Young Floridians
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/virus-young-deaths.html

More Young People Are Dying Of Coronavirus In Florida, As State Shatters Death Record Tuesday
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/11/more-young-people-are-dying-of-coronavirus-in-florida-as-state-shatters-death-record-tuesday/?sh=2ef18b0e152e

Dying Young: The Health Care Workers in Their 20s Killed by COVID-19
https://khn.org/news/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-killed-by-covid-19/

Children and young adults of color are dying from COVID-19 at higher rates: COVID-19 has become the leading cause of death—among young adults aged 25-44
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-deaths-children-young-adults-color-deaths/

Baltimore County Teen Dies From COVID-19 As Cases Set Single-Day Record In Maryland
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/11/13/baltimore-county-teen-dies-from-covid-19-as-cases-set-single-day-record-in-maryland/

WHO warns more young people dying from coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/international/491041-who-we-are-seeing-data-that-more-young-people-are-dying-from-coronavirus