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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2387 on: November 14, 2020, 02:18:13 PM »
For Michael.....balance this with your lower death rate....


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2388 on: November 14, 2020, 03:14:17 PM »
Those hypocrite dems continue to get caught having large outings while telling everyone else to lockdown.  "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy just got caught again.  Nutty Newsom in CA just had a big party.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  Using the pandemic as an excuse to steal the election.  Then pouring into the streets to celebrate.  Now telling everyone to close up while they go about their lives like 18th century royalty.   Trump finishes his presidency with a landmark achievement in distributing the vaccine.  A perfect set up for 2024.  Old Joe will struggle through his senile haze to do nothing or screw up whatever little he tries to do as he did his entire career.  He will blame the "republicans" for his failures just like Obama.  At some point he will step down or be removed for his obvious cognitive issues.  Kantala then runs on a record of Jimmy Carter-like failure in 2024. She is an unlikeable and less intelligent version of Hillary.  Reviled by everyone associated with her.  A Trump landslide in the making. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2389 on: November 14, 2020, 03:26:55 PM »
Another fact update on COVID-19: Over the last three days, the death rate has dropped once again. Three days ago, the death rate was 2.3%--243K deaths/10.6 million cases. As of this morning, it is 2.26%--244K deaths/10.8 million cases. You can Google the numbers and do the simple math yourself. 244,000 deaths out of 10.8 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.26%, which means the average survival rate is 97.74%.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu. If you doubt this, go to the CDC or Johns Hopkins site and divide the number of cases by the number of deaths for the age groups that those sites use. And/or go to state websites and do the same calculation for the age groups they use. Different sites use different age groups. You will see that for ages 0-19, the death rate is far below the flu's death rate; that for ages 20-49, the death rate is nearly the same as that of the flu (0.11% to 0.29%, almost identical to the flu's death rate range); that for ages 50-64, the death rate is right around 1.97%, which equals a survival rate of 98.03%. Only with ages 65 and up does the death rate enter genuinely dangerous territory: it is around 14%, which still equals a survival rate of 86%, far, far better than the odds of beating most forms of cancer.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily. Nor do liberals bother to tell people that for weeks during the lockdowns, the death rate was over 5% and did not start to noticeably drop until states began to reopen. If more people had this crucial information, they would immediately begin to question the lockdown approach.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2020, 03:28:40 PM by Michael T. Griffith »

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2390 on: November 14, 2020, 03:30:48 PM »
Those hypocrite dems continue to get caught having large outings while telling everyone else to lockdown.  "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy just got caught again.  Nutty Newsom in CA just had a big party.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  Using the pandemic as an excuse to steal the election.  Then pouring into the streets to celebrate.  Now telling everyone to close up while they go about their lives like 18th century royalty.   Trump finishes his presidency with a landmark achievement in distributing the vaccine.  A perfect set up for 2024.  Old Joe will struggle through his senile haze to do nothing or screw up whatever little he tries to do as he did his entire career.  He will blame the "republicans" for his failures just like Obama.  At some point he will step down or be removed for his obvious cognitive issues.  Kantala then runs on a record of Jimmy Carter-like failure in 2024. She is an unlikeable and less intelligent version of Hillary.  Reviled by everyone associated with her.  A Trump landslide in the making.

Hope, no matter how irrational, always dies last....

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2391 on: November 14, 2020, 03:40:23 PM »
Another fact update on COVID-19: Over the last three days, the death rate has dropped once again. Three days ago, the death rate was 2.3%--243K deaths/10.6 million cases. As of this morning, it is 2.26%--244K deaths/10.8 million cases. You can Google the numbers and do the simple math yourself. 244,000 deaths out of 10.8 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.26%, which means the average survival rate is 97.74%.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu. If you doubt this, go to the CDC or Johns Hopkins site and divide the number of cases by the number of deaths for the age groups that those sites use. And/or go to state websites and do the same calculation for the age groups they use. Different sites use different age groups. You will see that for ages 0-19, the death rate is far below the flu's death rate; that for ages 20-49, the death rate is nearly the same as that of the flu (0.11% to 0.29%, almost identical to the flu's death rate range); that for ages 50-64, the death rate is right around 1.97%, which equals a survival rate of 98.03%. Only with ages 65 and up does the death rate enter genuinely dangerous territory: it is around 14%, which still equals a survival rate of 86%, far, far better than the odds of beating most forms of cancer.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily. Nor do liberals bother to tell people that for weeks during the lockdowns, the death rate was over 5% and did not start to noticeably drop until states began to reopen. If more people had this crucial information, they would immediately begin to question the lockdown approach.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily.

You just tell that to all the elderly people who will die from covid-19 in the next couple of months because they get infected by some idiot in their family or surroundings who listens to crap like you are spreading and doesn't take precautions believing that the risk for him- or herself is minimal.

Here's a thought for you; lockdowns and other measures could potentially be less severe if we, as a society, could rely on the selfrestraint and responsible behavior of all the people. Unfortunately, there are just too many selfish idiots out there who only care for themselves and will cross every line the first chance they get. Give them a finger and they'll take a hand.

Hang on, come to think of it... that's not really a thought for you, now is it? You're one of the money over people crowd!
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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2392 on: November 14, 2020, 03:56:16 PM »
Those hypocrite dems continue to get caught having large outings while telling everyone else to lockdown.  "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy just got caught again.  Nutty Newsom in CA just had a big party.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.  Using the pandemic as an excuse to steal the election.  Then pouring into the streets to celebrate.  Now telling everyone to close up while they go about their lives like 18th century royalty.   Trump finishes his presidency with a landmark achievement in distributing the vaccine.  A perfect set up for 2024.  Old Joe will struggle through his senile haze to do nothing or screw up whatever little he tries to do as he did his entire career.  He will blame the "republicans" for his failures just like Obama.  At some point he will step down or be removed for his obvious cognitive issues.  Kantala then runs on a record of Jimmy Carter-like failure in 2024. She is an unlikeable and less intelligent version of Hillary.  Reviled by everyone associated with her.  A Trump landslide in the making.

They know that Covid disappeared on Nov 4. Didn’t you get the memo? I hope Trump runs again after setting up a rival to Fox News, that would be fun to watch. Looks like the numbers of the vaccine, 700M by April, he was spouting before the election have dropped to a million or so. What happened? Distribution won’t be until we’ll into Joe's presidency. He will get the glory.....that’s how it goes. Trump will go down as the guy who lost the popular vote twice and got himself impeached in the process. What a loser.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2393 on: November 14, 2020, 04:21:58 PM »
Another fact update on COVID-19: Over the last three days, the death rate has dropped once again. Three days ago, the death rate was 2.3%--243K deaths/10.6 million cases. As of this morning, it is 2.26%--244K deaths/10.8 million cases. You can Google the numbers and do the simple math yourself. 244,000 deaths out of 10.8 million cases equals a case death rate of 2.26%, which means the average survival rate is 97.74%.

And when you break down the numbers by age group, you see that for about 60% of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a lower risk than the flu or about the same risk as the flu. If you doubt this, go to the CDC or Johns Hopkins site and divide the number of cases by the number of deaths for the age groups that those sites use. And/or go to state websites and do the same calculation for the age groups they use. Different sites use different age groups. You will see that for ages 0-19, the death rate is far below the flu's death rate; that for ages 20-49, the death rate is nearly the same as that of the flu (0.11% to 0.29%, almost identical to the flu's death rate range); that for ages 50-64, the death rate is right around 1.97%, which equals a survival rate of 98.03%. Only with ages 65 and up does the death rate enter genuinely dangerous territory: it is around 14%, which still equals a survival rate of 86%, far, far better than the odds of beating most forms of cancer.

But liberals continue to scare people by focusing on the number of cases without telling people that the death rate continues to drop steadily. Nor do liberals bother to tell people that for weeks during the lockdowns, the death rate was over 5% and did not start to noticeably drop until states began to reopen. If more people had this crucial information, they would immediately begin to question the lockdown approach.

Deaths lag cases by a few weeks. The way it works is people get infected and some die later. So, if you get another million cases this week, the deaths this week are from a few weeks ago. The dynamic rate will appear to be decreasing as cases increase dramatically. The true mortality rate can never be accurately calculated until the disease is eradicated.

What are the long term effects if infection for those that survive? Do you know?