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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #112 on: August 07, 2020, 04:31:53 PM »
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So that's your answer to the fact that, as late as April 1964, even the three autopsy doctors insisted that Connally's wrist must have been struck by a separate bullet because they knew that the wrist bone is one of the hardest bones in the body and that CE 399 could not have shattered that bone without incurring significant damage?

Does the fact that the WC's own ballistics tests confirmed this mean anything to you? Are you aware that the WC's top wound ballistics expert, Dr. Joseph Dolce, told the commission that the SBT was impossible and that his ballistics tests proved this?

Why do you suppose that Dr. Baden, chairman of the HSCA FPP, refused Dr. Wecht's request that the panel arrange to have ballistics tests done to determine whether a bullet could do all the damage attributed to CE 399 and still emerge in nearly pristine condition?

Why do you suppose Baden refused to call Dr. Dolce as a witness, even after Dr. Dolce said he wanted to testify? Could it be because Baden knew that Dolce was going to say that the SBT was fiction and that the WC had ignored its own ballistics tests?

How about the fact that the slits in the front of JFK's shirt are not the same length, that they have no fabric missing from them, and that no metallic traces were found on them? That's because they were not bullet holes but slits made by the nurses who hurriedly cut off Kennedy's clothing, as one of the nurses confirmed to Henry Hurt.


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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #113 on: August 07, 2020, 05:16:36 PM »
Indeed a magic bullet, which caused slits rather than holes. Since when did a bullet cause slits?

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #114 on: August 07, 2020, 05:25:27 PM »
So that's your answer to the fact that, as late as April 1964, even the three autopsy doctors insisted that Connally's wrist must have been struck by a separate bullet because they knew that the wrist bone is one of the hardest bones in the body and that CE 399 could not have shattered that bone without incurring significant damage?

Does the fact that the WC's own ballistics tests confirmed this mean anything to you? Are you aware that the WC's top wound ballistics expert, Dr. Joseph Dolce, told the commission that the SBT was impossible and that his ballistics tests proved this?

Why do you suppose that Dr. Baden, chairman of the HSCA FPP, refused Dr. Wecht's request that the panel arrange to have ballistics tests done to determine whether a bullet could do all the damage attributed to CE 399 and still emerge in nearly pristine condition?

Why do you suppose Baden refused to call Dr. Dolce as a witness, even after Dr. Dolce said he wanted to testify? Could it be because Baden knew that Dolce was going to say that the SBT was fiction and that the WC had ignored its own ballistics tests?

How about the fact that the slits in the front of JFK's shirt are not the same length, that they have no fabric missing from them, and that no metallic traces were found on them? That's because they were not bullet holes but slits made by the nurses who hurriedly cut off Kennedy's clothing, as one of the nurses confirmed to Henry Hurt.


Again with the 'howaboutisms'

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Offline Jerry Organ

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« Reply #115 on: August 07, 2020, 06:27:12 PM »
Indeed a magic bullet, which caused slits rather than holes. Since when did a bullet cause slits?

It's alleged that the holes in the shirt collar were made by a scalpel.

You actually think a nurse used a scalpel (as opposed to blunt-nosed scissors) to remove the President's clothing? ???

Robert A. Frazier: "The hole in the front of the shirt does not have the round characteristic shape caused by a round bullet entering cloth. It is an irregular slit. It could have been caused by a round bullet, however, since the cloth could have torn in a long slitlike way as the bullet passed through it."

Flags, for example, will tear into strips along their wove because of force.



There is fabric missing in the holes and they do line up. That's a thread extending upright from the camera-right hole.
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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #116 on: August 07, 2020, 09:03:55 PM »
It's alleged that the holes in the shirt collar were made by a scalpel.

You actually think a nurse used a scalpel (as opposed to blunt-nosed scissors) to remove the President's clothing? ???

Sigh. . . .  Once again, yet again, once more you are repeating arguments that have long since been refuted. Yes, the nurses used scalpels. Dr. Carrico stated that this was "the usual practice" in an emergency, and one of the nurses who helped cut JFK's clothing confirmed to Henry Hurt that the nurses made those slits and the nick in the tie knot.

I notice you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits.


Robert A. Frazier: "The hole in the front of the shirt does not have the round characteristic shape caused by a round bullet entering cloth. It is an irregular slit. It could have been caused by a round bullet, however, since the cloth could have torn in a long slitlike way as the bullet passed through it."

This is fairy tale material. How would a non-tumbling, non-yawing bullet produce two misaligned slits, slits that were not only different in shape but markedly different in length?! Really, how does that work down here on Earth? I mean, never mind that we know that no bullet exited the throat, or that we know that the throat wound was above the collar, or that we know that the throat wound was a small and neat puncture wound with the edges pushed inward. Never mind all that. But do explain how a supposedly non-tumbling, non-yawing bullet could not only make two slits that differed in shape and length?

The FBI lab report on the JFK's clothing, after noting that no metallic traces were found around the slits, said that the slits had the traits of an exit hole for a fragment:

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The first FBI laboratory reports on Kennedy’s clothes revealed that the holes in his coat and shirt submitted to both X-ray and spectrographic analysis showed traces of copper (bullet metal) around the edges of the holes. This was forensically consistent with JFK having been shot in the back with copper-jacketed ammunition. The same tests run on Kennedy’s collar and tie showed no bullet metal was found in the surrounding fabric. Rather than admit that the slits in the President’s collar and nick in his tie were not caused by an assassin’s bullet, the FBI lab report noted that the slits had the “characteristics of an exit hole for a bullet fragment.” (https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Bugliosi_Fails_to_Resuscitate_the_Single-Bullet_Theory.html)

Tell me: Why do you suppose the WC did not publish a picture of JFK's shirt collar? Hey? Because any person with decent vision can see that the slits on the collar do not align and that they differ substantially in length. Dr. McKnight:

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The reason the Commission did not include a picture of the shirt collar was that it dared not. The slit on the left-hand side of the shirt and collar was much longer than the slit on the right-hand side. To claim there was an alignment was patently untrue. . . .

The fact that the slits were not aligned destroys the Commission's contention that they were made by a bullet. Bullets make holes and not slits unless they are tumbling when they strike flesh or cloth. Carrico described Kennedy's anterior neck wound as "rather round and there were  no ragged edges or ostellic lacerations." (Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why, University Press of Kansas, 2005, p. 268)

I notice you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits.

There is fabric missing in the holes

No, there is not. Notice that even Frazier did not say there was any fabric missing. Weisberg first noticed there is no fabric missing from the slits, and Dr. Mantik confirmed this fact when he examined the shirt at the National Archives.

I notice you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits.


and they do line up. That's a thread extending upright from the righthand hole.

LOL! Are you blind? Or are you hoping that no one will actually look at the picture of the slits? Seriously? What on earth are you looking at that would lead you to claim that those slits "line up"? They're not even the same shape, much less the same length. This is nutty.

You get on public boards and you just repeating this goofy jibberish over and over again. I have no doubt that on other boards you have posted this same nonsense, and that other people have pointed out to you that anyone with two functioning eyes can see that the slits most certainly do not line up because they are not the same shape or length. But you'll never admit this.

Oh, and did I mention that you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits?


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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #118 on: August 08, 2020, 01:45:23 AM »
So that's your answer to the fact that, as late as April 1964, even the three autopsy doctors insisted that Connally's wrist must have been struck by a separate bullet because they knew that the wrist bone is one of the hardest bones in the body and that CE 399 could not have shattered that bone without incurring significant damage?

Does the fact that the WC's own ballistics tests confirmed this mean anything to you?

 ???

The WC's own ballistics tests show that a full on strike of a full speed bullet absolutely devastates the nose of the bullet along with the wrist bone whereas a considerably slowed bullet like CE399 after penetrating the soft tissue of Kennedy's neck and Connally's torso, only created a minor fracture, also note that the tiny amount of recovered lead fragments and those seen in the wrist and thigh Xrays corresponds to the tiny amount of missing lead from CE399.



Btw how would a bullet going in nose first embed small lead particles in Connally's wrist, wouldn't a bullet need to be tumbling and hit rear end first? And wouldn't a tiny amount of lead need to be extruded first like what would happen after a tumbling bullet entered Connally's back which created the elongated entrance hole and then subsequently after striking bone side on, would leave a bullet viewed end on with 1 flat surface?



Within the first hour after the assassination and considering the damage to both Kennedy and Connally, who could possibly know to plant a whole bullet that Tomlinson later reinforced it's completeness by saying the "bullet rolled out", that only after an exhaustive medical investigation would be completely consistent with the amount of missing lead from CE399?

Mr. TOMLINSON. I bumped the wall and a spent cartridge or bullet rolled out that apparently had been lodged under the edge of the mat.
Mr. SPECTER. And that was from which stretcher?


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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #119 on: August 08, 2020, 02:19:36 AM »
Sigh. . . .  Once again, yet again, once more you are repeating arguments that have long since been refuted. Yes, the nurses used scalpels. Dr. Carrico stated that this was "the usual practice" in an emergency, and one of the nurses who helped cut JFK's clothing confirmed to Henry Hurt that the nurses made those slits and the nick in the tie knot.

I have no doubt that Kennedy's shirt and jacket were cut for easier removal but maybe you can explain how making a small half inch or so slit in the neck area helped with the removal of his shirt?









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