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Offline Frederick Clements

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2472 on: August 27, 2023, 01:09:30 PM »
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Stanton seems far too chubby to be PM.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2472 on: August 27, 2023, 01:09:30 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2473 on: August 27, 2023, 02:38:03 PM »
~Sigh~

The issue of Mrs. Stanton's location was resolved many moons ago:

After the assassination, Mr Lovelady found himself having to look again and again at the Altgens photograph (because of erroneous claims that the 'man in the doorway' was Mr Oswald rather than himself). His memory of relative positions at the time of the shooting was thus set in stone by that image. He confidently pointed out to Mr Dom Bonafede a lady shielding her eyes in that photograph, a lady who he said worked on the second floor. His recognition of this lady in the photograph, who is the person he sees standing next to him to his east, explains why he mentions her in his testimony:

Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.


Had Mr Ball not (nervously!) interrupted Mr Lovelady here, he would have named the person "right behind" him as Mr Joe Molina, who indeed appears to be 'right behind' him in Altgens.



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As for Mr. Shelley, he told FBI he was OUT OF SHOT in the Altgens photograph:



He was: he was standing to Mr. Lovelady's right (i.e. he was just west of Mr. Lovelady).

Thus we have Mr. Lovelady, with Ms. Stanton next to him on one side and Mr. Shelley next to him on the other. Just like he said.

But what he left out was a rather important fact:

Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald was in that doorway too.

Just like (as we have known since 2019) he claimed in his first interrogation:



Here he is in Hughes, taking a drink from his Coke bottle:



The LHO=AltgensDoorwayMan! folks were nearly right; the LHO=PM-in-Darnell!! folks were nearly right. Mr. Oswald was in the very near vicinity.

Since PrayerMan-in-Darnell turned out to be PrayerWoman, the identification of PrayerWoman-in-Darnell has been a trivial pursuit. I think she's Mrs. Pauline Sanders---------------



----------------but it makes no appreciable difference to anything if she happens to be some other lady (other than Mrs. Stanton--------a candidate ruled out ages ago by all but the chronically blind and/or demented) who made her way to that spot in the seconds following the shooting.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2474 on: August 27, 2023, 06:04:24 PM »
What's this?






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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2475 on: August 30, 2023, 06:21:14 PM »
Ok, I’m not sure which CT theory is the best one right now since the PM theory seems to be refuted.

Maybe I’ll just not get too into the Armstrong theory because there might be another explanation  for Oswald’s timing from
Leaving the TSBD  NOT wearing a jacket to showing up at Brewers store also not wearing a jacket.

Which theory Mr. Ford is currently developing which I don’t want to discard and or cause any more sighing from Mr. Ford :)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2476 on: August 30, 2023, 08:49:09 PM »
What's this?



Look where this woman is looking (pink arrow):

« Last Edit: August 30, 2023, 08:57:29 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2477 on: August 30, 2023, 08:56:44 PM »

This scene comes perhaps a second or two after Mr. Altgens takes his photo, which in turn comes ~11 seconds after Towner shows flag-waving in the doorway:



So from Towner to these Wiegman frames: ~12-13 secs
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2478 on: August 30, 2023, 11:36:47 PM »
Is there a connection perchance between the flag-waving here------------

--------------and this some 12/13 secs later-----------

--------------and this some 25 seconds after that?------------
« Last Edit: August 30, 2023, 11:40:23 PM by Alan Ford »

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2479 on: August 31, 2023, 09:26:57 PM »
So from Towner to these Wiegman frames: ~12-13 secs

-----------------------------> Three actions:

1. Flag-waving in doorway (Towner)
2. Leaves steps for pavement IMMEDIATELY after limousine has passed by entrance (job of giving Pres. Kennedy signal now carried out): kneels/leans over and rolls up flag for returning to paper sack (Wiegman----gives glimpse of his head/hair)

3. Dumps sack by mailboxes (Darnell)
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