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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2256 on: March 07, 2023, 10:32:17 PM »
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Anyone who thinks that

a) the Altgens photograph wasn't monkeyed with------------



b) the ridiculous shadow down Mr. Lovelady's right side in Weigman isn't fake-------------



------------is in serious reality-denial mode!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2256 on: March 07, 2023, 10:32:17 PM »


Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2257 on: March 07, 2023, 11:50:40 PM »
And there we have it. The jealous little narcissist can't generate enough attention with his trademark zero-stakes info dumps, so he comes onto a genuinely important thread and spams it with off-topic self-obsessed garbage. Sad!

You're engaged in a 285 page, "spam thread" a record volume on this forum, a "conversation" primarily with yourself.
Your intent is to maintain this thread as the first page thread with the most recent post.

That is it... the extent, at this point and for several years, of your effort here.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
Alan Ford « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2020,

How are you different than Gerry Campeau in this example? You both shovel BS against the tide, IOW, against the facts... the sincerity behind your individual efforts amounting to no excuse for either of you.

https://jfkfacts.org/rewinding-the-zapruder-film/#comment-843418
GERRY CAMPEAU
DECEMBER 28, 2015 AT 10:46 AM
"Tom S
It’s quit oveous that your news paper story on Col Robert E Jones is cover story to cover up Truth about Col Jones its a charade to think there is more then one Col Robert E Jones at Fort Campbell KY
http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2011/10/26/fort-campbell-held-dedication-for-the-new-col-robert-e-jones-training-support-center/
According to Larry Hancock’s research on the 112th, Jones was lying. He was never the 112th’s operations officer. And the committee didn’t know this? How did Jones know it would be safe to lie about it? And if he lied under oath about something as basic as his own position with the 112th, why should we believe anything else that he said?
 
http://www.maryferre…bsPageId=223377 .."

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2258 on: March 08, 2023, 12:24:36 AM »
You're engaged in a 285 page, "spam thread" a record volume on this forum, a "conversation" primarily with yourself.
Your intent is to maintain this thread as the first page thread with the most recent post.

That is it... the extent, at this point and for several years, of your effort here.

~Grin~

Ok, genius. Pick any item of photographic/film evidence at issue in this thread and debate me on it. I'll incinerate you in seconds.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2258 on: March 08, 2023, 12:24:36 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2259 on: March 08, 2023, 12:31:48 AM »


Friends, the 'investigating' authorities were freaking out about the fact that Mr. Oswald was in the doorway. If my proposal above re. the flapping object in Altgens is correct, then we can say that this panic led them to make two telltale errors in their alteration of Altgens that would be comical were it not for the ungodly awfulness of what they were doing to the patsy:

1. They mistook Mr. Roy Edward Lewis (the man standing directly in front of Mr. Oswald in Wiegman) for Mr. Carl Edward Jones

2. The mistook part of the flapping object being waved (which we see so graphically in Towner) for Mr. Oswald's Coke bottle.

There was no actual need for them to alter Altgens!

Good people may of course disagree as to the exact interpretation of the Cronkite version of Altgens, which is the only time the unaltered image was shown to the American people. Wherever the truth of what we are seeing there lies, we now know----from comparative analysis of Hughes, Towner, Bell and Wiegman-----that the man in the reddish long-sleeved shirt standing behind Mr. Lewis in the Hughes film is not Mr. Billy Lovelady but Mr. Lee Oswald


[Credit for GIF: Mr. Jerry Organ]

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2260 on: March 08, 2023, 09:56:30 AM »
Your Handy One-Stop Photo-Visual Guide!

Green arrow: Mr. Oswald
Yellow arrow: Mr. Lovelady



[Credit for source GIF: Mr. Jerry Organ]







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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2261 on: March 09, 2023, 05:37:38 AM »
Roy Lewis does NOT place himself at the bottom of the steps, but rather at the TOP of the steps. (Per his more recent interview)

Lewis describes in his interview WHEN he came out , that it was just AFTER JFK limo has turned onto Elm st, and at which point Lewis saw JFK “brush his hair”. This makes it improbable that Lewis would be in Hughes film at the bottom of the steps as JFK limo is going up Houston st, BEFORE it turned on Elm.

Roy Lewis shirt is a much darker blue than the very light blue shirt of the black man at bottom
Of the steps in the Hughes film gif.

Roy Lewis pants are much darker than the almost white pants of that same black man in Hughes film gif.

The face in Wiegman film and Altgens film
Does NOT match the face of Lewis.

The black and white  Weigman film and the b&w
Altgens photo show clearly the black man has very light , almost white shirt and pants.

In another black and white photo of Lewis, (see prayerman site) his shirt and pants appear as dark as his jacket is , which jacket is wrapped around his waste. It’s highly improbable  that the very light blue and almost white pants of black man in Hughes could appear so dark as in another  b&w photo of Roy Lewis taken with in an hour later out front of TSBD.

If Lewis had  a habit of wrapping his  jacket around his waste when he took it off, then if he is the black man at bottom of steps in Hughes, Weigman, and Altgens , it follows that there should be a jacket around the waste. There is no jacket to be seen around the waste of the black and it’s unlikely he just dropped the jacket on the steps somewhere.

It’s highly improbable that Lewis dark blue shirt and dark pants could appear as light grey almost white as in Weigman film and Altgens photo.

Imo, the  Very Light blue tone of the shirt of black man in Hughes film is an effect caused by the gif enhancement process.

Therefore because of the above as well as the FACE dimensions (longer nose, more oval shape head ) and height of the black male in any photo or film segment that show some closer detail, the black man has to  be Carl Jones.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2262 on: March 09, 2023, 07:48:06 AM »
Roy Lewis does NOT place himself at the bottom of the steps, but rather at the TOP of the steps. (Per his more recent interview)

And he contradicts himself at 25:40: first he talks about "When I came out"------------then, watch his hand gestures when he says "when I got down to stop".

He has been all over the place in his various statements about his exact whereabouts on the stairs. In one statement, for instance, he puts himself in the center of the doorway with the ladies.

He is in an impossible situation:

a) Standing right behind him was the one man you really don't want standing behind you at the time of the assassination: Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald

b) Altgens (at least 'Canonical Altgens') shows another man's face where he knows his own should be! (The lady at 24:28 in the Rivera conference clip referenced above knows what's what.)

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Lewis describes in his interview WHEN he came out , that it was just AFTER JFK limo has turned onto Elm st, and at which point Lewis saw JFK “brush his hair”. This makes it improbable that Lewis would be in Hughes film at the bottom of the steps as JFK limo is going up Houston st, BEFORE it turned on Elm.

Roy Lewis shirt is a much darker blue than the very light blue shirt of the black man at bottom
Of the steps in the Hughes film gif.

Roy Lewis pants are much darker than the almost white pants of that same black man in Hughes film gif.

Not sure I see the problem, once one factors in distance & sun. Below is Hughes alongside the Willis scan made by Mr. Richard Bernabei. Each image shows the white of an entranceway column. Seems to me that taking Mr. Jones as the figure in blue in Hughes is much more problematical than making Mr. Lewis that figure in blue.




[Credit for Hughes GIF: Mr. Jerry Organ]

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The face in Wiegman film and Altgens film
Does NOT match the face of Lewis.

Which frame(s) from Wiegman make you say this?

And where in Altgens is the face you say doesn't match Mr. Lewis' and does match Mr. Jones'?:



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The black and white  Weigman film and the b&w
Altgens photo show clearly the black man has very light , almost white shirt and pants.

In another black and white photo of Lewis, (see prayerman site) his shirt and pants appear as dark as his jacket is , which jacket is wrapped around his waste. It’s highly improbable  that the very light blue and almost white pants of black man in Hughes could appear so dark as in another  b&w photo of Roy Lewis taken with in an hour later out front of TSBD.

If Lewis had  a habit of wrapping his  jacket around his waste when he took it off, then if he is the black man at bottom of steps in Hughes, Weigman, and Altgens , it follows that there should be a jacket around the waste. There is no jacket to be seen around the waste of the black and it’s unlikely he just dropped the jacket on the steps somewhere.

We don't know that he had his cardigan with him when he came outside to watch the P. Parade.

Here, by the way, is Mr. Jones in Couch carrying something in his hands:



I have suggested that this is the object we see flapping in Towner.

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It’s highly improbable that Lewis dark blue shirt and dark pants could appear as light grey almost white as in Weigman film and Altgens photo.

His pants are in Altgens??

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Imo, the  Very Light blue tone of the shirt of black man in Hughes film is an effect caused by the gif enhancement process.

Can you find any other instance in Hughes of something cream-colored showing up blue?

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Therefore because of the above as well as the FACE dimensions (longer nose, more oval shape head ) and height of the black male in any photo or film segment that show some closer detail, the black man has to  be Carl Jones.

Again, it would be helpful, Mr. Mason, if you would post some images that you feel back up this analysis. And please include hairline!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2262 on: March 09, 2023, 07:48:06 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2263 on: March 09, 2023, 10:12:18 AM »
Out of interest, has Mr. Lewis ever positively identified himself as this man standing beside Mr. Jones in Willis?



I ask because I have seen it suggested that this man is actually seen in the Bronson film well away from the Depository:



Cf:



Are we 100% sure this guy wasn't just a non-TSBD pal of Mr. Jones??

After all, not everyone who went up on those steps after the assassination was an employee............



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