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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2208 on: March 02, 2023, 12:20:01 AM »
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2209 on: March 02, 2023, 12:22:59 AM »
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2210 on: March 02, 2023, 12:31:41 AM »
Good on you, Mr. Smith-------we all wish you well on your mental health journey. And thank you for pointing your fellow Warren Gullibles to what could be a vital resource at this unprecedentedly difficult time.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2211 on: March 02, 2023, 01:23:43 AM »
Friends, if some wide-eyed loon said to you 'Billy Lovelady had an illegal gun-selling rap to his name, he was no good, and he shot JFK', how would you react? Why, you'd back away and make a mental note to avoid that kook's company. Anyone who thinks a man, however murky his past, who was standing on the front steps for the P. Parade could have shot JFK must be out of their mind.

Well, such is the healthy reaction henceforth to any kook who tells you 'Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK'. Because Mr. Oswald is no more a candidate for sixth-floor shooter than is Mr. Lovelady.

Here's Mr. Lovelady:



Here's Mr. Oswald:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2212 on: March 02, 2023, 02:40:35 PM »


But that's not all Bell is telling us:



Watch the downward & eastward movement of Mr. Lovelady's left hand. Then watch his head. Then watch the straightening up of his torso.

He is not moving his feet over to this new spot, for they are already there. He has been leaning into his right foot, and craning his neck to follow the limousine. And now he is returning to his previous upright posture

Alternatively, of course, Mr. Lovelady is moving down a step-------------------



-------------------just as Wiegman shows him doing several seconds later, only there his head has been craning in the other direction (to keep the limousine in view):



Same movement from 1st step down from landing to 2nd step down from landing (Mr. Lovelady having gone back up a step between Bell and Altgens/Wiegman).

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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« Reply #2213 on: March 02, 2023, 03:23:34 PM »
Same movement from 1st step down from landing to 2nd step down from landing (Mr. Lovelady having gone back up a step between Bell and Altgens/Wiegman).

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Mr. Oswald, meanwhile, does not move around-------------------he just stays standing there, drinking his Coke:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2214 on: March 02, 2023, 07:49:34 PM »
Alternatively, of course, Mr. Lovelady is moving down a step-------------------

However!

If we consider (with reference to the window-gridwork east of the entranceway) the height of Mr. Lovelady's head as we glimpse it in the first frames here--------------



-------------and if we compare it with the height of his head here in Wiegman------------



------------we can determine that the FORMER option seems the correct one, i.e.

Mr. Lovelady in Bell is two steps down and has been leaning over to his right and craning his neck to look east at the limousine. This has lowered his head but raised his left hand.

With apologies to Mr. Hackerott for taking the liberty of decontextualizing & flipping an older image of his, this gives a pretty useful approximation of what we're seeing in the first frames of the Bell gif-------------with the difference that Mr. Lovelady in Bell does not appear to be leaning forward (just sideways):



The latter frames in the Bell gif show Mr. Lovelady standing up straight again-------------hence the descent of his left hand.

And that original standing position puts only one obstacle between Mr. Lovelady's torso and Mr. Bell's camera lens: foliage.

Good luck getting Redshirt Man in Hughes/Towner from this-------



--------to this-------



----------in way, way, way less than lickety-spit. It's a hopeless cause, folks-----------for the simple reason that Mr. Lovelady is not Redshirt Man in Hughes/Towner!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2215 on: March 02, 2023, 10:08:41 PM »
Your comparison picture is a different scale than that of the still from Hackerott's 3D.

Mr. Organ's embarrassing self-own does of course correctly identify the problem with the 3D reconstruction. The scale isn't quite right (with things in Bell being bigger than in the 3D version)---------------



--------------because an honest but erroneous assumption has been made that this (pink box) is the right edge of the west column base:



This has let to a certain squeezing in of the doorway in order to fit that assumption, with some of the resulting obvious distortions I have been pointing out.

Now! How wide west does the actual doorway in Bell go? Well, the below is I think--------with all due caution respecting angles-------quite suggestive (marks in orange are mine!):



Quite by happy chance, this suggests a location for the west edge of the west column (NOT column base) just where we see two unmoving [i.e. non-foliage] white spots in Bell:



This of course would explain how Mr. Lovelady's left side can be appearing to Bell's POV just as far west as Ms. Reese's raised right elbow:



Mr. Lovelady is a lot further east than the 3D graphic has him.

This in turn explains why Mr. Lovelady is blocked by Ms. Toni Glover in Hughes:



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