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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2168 on: February 23, 2023, 11:34:31 PM »
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By way of entertaining reminder!---------------------

This white man wearing a red shirt over a white tshirt is the man Mr. Jerry Organ tried a few pages back to tell us was a black man wearing a brown cardigan over a blue shirt!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2168 on: February 23, 2023, 11:34:31 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2169 on: February 23, 2023, 11:46:33 PM »
Three truths are told!---------------------

1. Mr. Billy Nolan Lovelady spent the motorcade standing over close to the center railing

2. Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald spent the motorcade up at the SN window standing over by the brickwork just behind the western column

3. Neither man shot Pres. Kennedy

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2170 on: February 24, 2023, 01:47:02 AM »
Three truths are told!---------------------

1. Mr. Billy Nolan Lovelady spent the motorcade standing over close to the center railing

2. Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald spent the motorcade up at the SN window standing over by the brickwork just behind the western column

3. Neither man shot Pres. Kennedy

So he had the perfect alibi ... but told investigators he was in the lunch room.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2170 on: February 24, 2023, 01:47:02 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2171 on: February 24, 2023, 07:23:19 AM »
So he had the perfect alibi ... but told investigators he was in the lunch room.

Don't embarrass yourself, Mr. Kneringer:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2172 on: February 24, 2023, 12:38:38 PM »
Question!

How come Mr. Bell is in so much shadow?



Here, a few minutes before the motorcade, is the north-south-facing pedestal he will supposedly be on come 12:30pm:



Answer!

He's not on the pedestal (the man in the white shirt is)-----------he's a little further west than the man in the white shirt = a little further west than we thought.................



Explains a thing or two!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2172 on: February 24, 2023, 12:38:38 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2173 on: February 25, 2023, 12:19:48 PM »
Here's how I see it......................

Ms. Maddie Reese is standing in the center of the doorway, on the very first step up. Right behind her is the center rail:



This allows us to reconstruct the width of the doorway as seen in Bell:



Mr. Bell was in sun for 'Bell 1' (= filming Houston St., lower image below), but moved west a little to get a better view on Elm, and so was in shade for 'Bell 2':



Here's about where he is (though perhaps I've put him a little too far east) for Bell 2 (dark gray lines), which is the sequence that shows the doorway. (I am also including Ms. Tina Towner's LOS to doorway, also in dark gray. Please disregard----for now----the light gray line!)



This explains nicely what Bell is showing:



-------------Ms. Reese is on the first step up in center of doorway
-------------Ms. Ruth Dean is showing up in blue behind her
-------------Mr. Lovelady is returning to normal stance after craning his neck (we got a glimpse of that in Towner)

Establishing POV for Bell as well as for Towner, and identifying Mr. Lovelady's craning of the neck in Towner, also explains nicely how these could be simultaneous sequences. Use the blue of Ms. Ruth Dean as your common point of reference:



If Mr. Bell had filmed the entrance head-on, with its centre rail directly in front of him (see light gray line on map above)---------------



----------------then he would be showing more of Mr. Lovelady than Towner's POV allows----though not as much as the glorious full-width shot his own 11/22/63 POV gives us!

And he would be clearly showing Messrs. Roy Edward Lewis and Lee Harvey Oswald over west, as already seen in Hughes and again in Towner:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2174 on: February 26, 2023, 10:57:22 AM »
Alternatively!

This is the base of the white west column-------------



-------------and Ms. Reese is after all standing one step up just on the west side of the center rail.

Bell's angle is a little to the east of this:



Ms. Ruth Dean in blue is standing against the center rail. The foliage is covering the heads of Ms. Reese and Ms. Dean. Mr. Lovelady has been leaning on his right foot and craning his neck to see Pres. Kennedy: we are now seeing him straighten up again:



I think the blue and white that are showing up just beside Mr. Lovelady (to our left as we look)  MAY be related to, respectively:
----------Mr. Roy Lewis' waving of an object
----------Mr. Oswald's white tshirt

Remember remember remember!: Just fractions of a second before this, Towner is showing the following:



And just a couple of seconds before that, Hughes is showing this:



So the challenge stands:

Explain, with reference to Hughes-Towner-Bell, how Redshirt Man in Hughes can possibly be Mr. Lovelady!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2174 on: February 26, 2023, 10:57:22 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2175 on: February 26, 2023, 07:21:07 PM »
Alternatively!

This is the base of the white west column-------------



-------------and Ms. Reese is after all standing one step up just on the west side of the center rail.

Bell's angle is a little to the east of this:



No. Bell is standing on the large pedestal as Davidson shows.



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Ms. Ruth Dean in blue is standing against the center rail.

Not Mrs. Dean. Probably the lower of the men with their hand over their eyes in Altgens.



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The foliage is covering the heads of Ms. Reese and Ms. Dean. Mr. Lovelady has been leaning on his right foot and craning his neck to see Pres. Kennedy: we are now seeing him straighten up again:



I think the blue and white that are showing up just beside Mr. Lovelady (to our left as we look)  MAY be related to, respectively:
----------Mr. Roy Lewis' waving of an object
----------Mr. Oswald's white tshirt

You mean the thing bobbing in unison with the foliage sway?