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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2048 on: February 14, 2023, 04:07:50 PM »
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Here's what happened. The authorities, in their desperation to keep a lid on Mr. Oswald's presence on the steps, made the mother of all goof-ups.

-They studied any front doorway images they had managed to get their hands on

-They saw Mr. Oswald in Wiegman: We'll have to black him out

-They saw Mr. Oswald's right arm/coke in Altgens: We'll have to deal with that

-They looked again at Wiegman: Hey, see that black guy standing at the bottom of the steps? He might be useful here. Who is he?

-They scoured some aftermath photos, and found-------or thought they had found---------this black man: Let's take this profile of his face and paste it into Altgens to help hide the Oswald bits

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-A profile pic was the best they could throw at the thing.  It wasn't perfect, as it had the man looking the wrong way, but needs must..........

-However, what they didn't know was that, in looking at the black-and-white Wiegman frames, they had misidentified Mr. Roy Edward Lewis as Mr. Carl Edward Jones!

-They did some retouching to Mr. Jones's face to blend it in, and retouched Mr. Oswald's upper arm/hand to make it look like Mr. Lovelady's left arm:



A bit of further retouching, and hey presto----------the 'canonical' post-Cronkite Altgens photo was born. The result was a hot mess, but it did the job.

Mr. Jones in 'canonical' Altgens does not refute the evidence for Mr. Roy Edward Lewis being at the bottom of the steps; the evidence for Mr. Roy Edward Lewis being at the bottom of the steps proves that Altgens was doctored

Fascinating exchange from 24:28 here. The lady questioner is quite right to point out the problem, but she hasn't worked out that the wrong man's face was used!


Mr. Lewis knew and knows exactly where he was standing at the time of the assassination. When he first saw Canonical Altgens, he must have been pretty perplexed!

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Full moon or another Chinese balloon floating overhead?  This stuff is far out even from a CTer.  Take this "evidence" to the NY Times or Tucker Carlson.  Tell them you have proven that Oswald was not a shooter and that there was a conspiracy to kill the president.  Get back to us with their response.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2048 on: February 14, 2023, 04:07:50 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2049 on: February 14, 2023, 04:48:09 PM »
Full moon or another Chinese balloon floating overhead?  This stuff is far out even from a CTer.  Take this "evidence" to the NY Times or Tucker Carlson.  Tell them you have proven that Oswald was not a shooter and that there was a conspiracy to kill the president.  Get back to us with their response.

Atlantic Monthly might be interested. They're doing a series exposing conspiracy cults.

The guy in the red sweater ...



... appears momentarily (he's sitting or stands for the President) through some foliage in a film clip. But he must be Lovelady or Oswald?? They're so desperate to get Oswald on the steps (in front of people on the steps who would have noticed him).
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2050 on: February 14, 2023, 07:39:43 PM »
Atlantic Monthly might be interested. They're doing a series exposing conspiracy cults.

The guy in the red sweater ...



... appears momentarily (he's sitting or stands for the President) through some foliage in a film clip. But he must be Lovelady or Oswald?? They're so desperate to get Oswald on the steps (in front of people on the steps who would have noticed him).

~Grin~

Mr. Organ, if all you've got by way of alternative candidate to Mr. Lovelady is a guy in a brown cardigan over a blue shirt, then I'm not the one who's desperate here



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2050 on: February 14, 2023, 07:39:43 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2051 on: February 14, 2023, 07:42:50 PM »
Full moon or another Chinese balloon floating overhead?  This stuff is far out even from a CTer.  Take this "evidence" to the NY Times or Tucker Carlson.  Tell them you have proven that Oswald was not a shooter and that there was a conspiracy to kill the president.  Get back to us with their response.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2052 on: February 14, 2023, 10:12:03 PM »




Mr. Lovelady in Bell is already behind and up a few steps from Mrs. Reese. He appears to be on the same step as in the later Wiegman frames (one of which I have posted above).

The syncing of Towner and Bell rules out all possibility that Reddish Shirt Man in Hughes is Mr. Lovelady:



Reddish Shirt Man in Hughes is Mr. Oswald-------------------in his reddish shirt, drinking his Coke

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2052 on: February 14, 2023, 10:12:03 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2053 on: February 15, 2023, 02:45:04 AM »
For  what reason would conspirators need to paste one black man over top of another black man?

Theres an inconsistency with red shirt man in Hughes film when he’s holding up his hand (holding the speculative bottle) : His sleeves appear covering his forearm. In the Cronkite version Altgens , the arm holding bottle appears to have sleeves rolled up. The arm and hand are same light tone ( which is why it’s not the hand of the black guy ( Jones/Lewis).

Not even sure if the quick gesture being made by Red shirt man is a bottle brought to mouth. It could be just a salute to the POTUS.

The white shirt of Red Shirt Man  is extremely white which suggests the thicker long sleeve white shirt that Lovelady was wearing when he was caught on film
On the 6th floor having removed his red plaid flannel shirt.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2054 on: February 15, 2023, 09:30:47 AM »
For  what reason would conspirators need to paste one black man over top of another black man?

As already explained, Mr. Mason, they mixed up Messrs. Lewis and Jones, and pasted in Mr. Jones' face because they needed something to take the place of the Coke bottle as it cuts across Mr. Lovelady's white tshirt:



Whatever portion of Mr. Lewis' face may have showed in the original Altgens, it didn't hide the bottle.

So:

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Theres an inconsistency with red shirt man in Hughes film when he’s holding up his hand (holding the speculative bottle) : His sleeves appear covering his forearm.

Only part of his forearm---------------as the hand is raised, the sleeve slips down a little



Now, look very closely at the raised forearm in Cronkite:



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Not even sure if the quick gesture being made by Red shirt man is a bottle brought to mouth. It could be just a salute to the POTUS.

We catch a glimpse of the bottle, which isn't being gripped right down at its base



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The white shirt of Red Shirt Man  is extremely white which suggests the thicker long sleeve white shirt that Lovelady was wearing when he was caught on film
On the 6th floor having removed his red plaid flannel shirt.

Do you mean Reddish Shirt Man in Hughes?



If so, are you seriously suggesting this couldn't be Mr. Oswald's white tshirt?

And is the white tshirt on the man standing behind and up a few steps from Ms. Maddie Reese not white enough for Mr. Lovelady's tshirt?



As for the sixth floor footage, what "long sleeve white shirt" on Mr. Lovelady? You are confusing something in the background for Mr. Lovelady's right arm. Watch what happens when Mr. Lovelady turns:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2055 on: February 15, 2023, 09:58:26 AM »
Friends, this really isn't complicated.

Those who wish to claim that this is Mr. Lovelady in Hughes-------------



------------have literally nowhere left to go at this stage.

They would need to get 'Mr. Lovelady' from the Hughes position over to the Lovelady position in Bell, behind and up a few steps from Ms. Maddie Reese--------------



---------------in just a couple of seconds (=the time difference between end of Hughes clip & start of Bell clip).

That would mean that the very instant Hughes stops filming, 'Mr. Lovelady' performs an athletically urgent hop, skip and jump up to the Lovelady-in-Bell spot.

But not even that ridiculous scenario is open to the Lovelady=ReddishShirtManInHughes supporters. Because these Bell and Towner clips are synced (thanks to the brilliant work of Mr. Chris Davidson):



And a closer look at Towner (again, thanks to Mr. Davidson!) shows us the devastating fact:

Reddish Shirt Man in Hughes is still standing there, just behind the black man at the bottom of the steps




Checkmate.

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