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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1840 on: January 10, 2022, 02:32:12 AM »
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Superb gif, Mr Davidson---------------painstakingly syncing up the two films clips!  Thumb1:

Mr Jackson, is this where you are seeing a handkerchief?


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Patrick Jackson

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1841 on: January 10, 2022, 07:36:05 PM »
Superb gif, Mr Davidson---------------painstakingly syncing up the two films clips!  Thumb1:

Mr Jackson, is this where you are seeing a handkerchief?


Absolutely. There are at least three flips.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1842 on: January 10, 2022, 09:32:55 PM »
Absolutely. There are at least three flips.

Whatever those flickers are, they are too far east to be the object we're seeing in Towner. (------------->Different camera angles)
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1843 on: January 11, 2022, 02:01:22 AM »
Mrs Garner was on the 4th floor by the rear staircase and saw Baker/Truly coming up using the staircase =
Encounter on 4th floor improbable

Not necessarily! If Ms Garner sees Mr Truly vouch for a man as an employee, it will not even occur to her that the man is anything other than an employee. Unless she is an unusually suspicious person, she will assume that the building superintendent knows what he is talking about.

As such, the encounter will be no more memorable to her than, say, seeing Messrs Jarman, Norman and Williams coming down on to the fourth floor a little after that. After the event, the presence on those stairs of any manual worker other than Mr Oswald, the accused assassin will appear to have no significance.

Mr Barry Ernest spoke with Ms Garner in 2011:

Being in the position she was as quickly as she was, I asked Mrs. Garner if she happened to notice the escaping assassin on the stairs.
She laughed at the question.
"No, I don't remember that.  I don't remember seeing him at all that day…except on TV."


Actually, she may well have seen the escaping assassin by the stairs. But-----------because he was not the employee whose face would soon be on TV-----------she may have failed to understand what she was seeing: Mr Truly, the building superintendent, tricking the motorcycle policeman into believing that a non-employee was an employee and hence ok

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1844 on: January 11, 2022, 02:11:33 AM »
Officer Baker's unexpectedly quick dash into the building forced Mr Truly to vouch for a non-employee as an employee (the man caught walking away from the stairway several floors up)-------------i.e. assist in the escape of a fleeing assassin. Afterwards, Mr Truly knows he is in potentially very hot water.

So what does he do? He says to the ever-dependable Mr Jack Dougherty: 'I need you to say you went upstairs, heard a shot and then came downstairs'. If the officer talks about the rear stairway encounter, Mr Dougherty can fit the bill as the 'employee' caught walking away from the rear stairway on the third or fourth floor. He is after all the only white manual worker available for the job.

As it turns out, the encounter by the stairway goes away because a lunchroom fiction is written to replace it (and the encounter with Mr Oswald at the front door). Mr Dougherty is thus no longer needed as the upper-floor employee. But he can't just change his story completely--------he just morphs it into one that ends with a descent by elevator
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1845 on: January 11, 2022, 03:16:16 AM »
Whatever those flickers are, they are too far east to be the object we're seeing in Towner. (------------->Different camera angles)
I am very sorry but you.obviously have couple of problems on resolving.the subject... One of them is addmiting you are wrong...
Everything here is in perfect alignment, no need to discus futher. Thank you.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1846 on: January 11, 2022, 04:09:06 AM »
I am very sorry but you.obviously have couple of problems on resolving.the subject... One of them is addmiting you are wrong...
Everything here is in perfect alignment, no need to discus futher. Thank you.

I'm sorry, Mr Jackson, but declaring they are aligned is not the same as showing they are aligned. They are not aligned. Your 'handkerchief' in Bell is too far to the east to be the waving object we see in Towner.

Using what's behind the man in the white cowboy suit (yellow dot) as our reference point gives us a sense of how far west of Ms Towner Mr Bell is:





Note the relative position of your handkerchief in Bell (pink dot) to the man in front of your lady in black (blue dot): slightly to the right as we look on.

Are you seriously arguing that-------------if you move far enough east from Bell's position so as to align with Ms Towner's angle----------you will see the waving object almost directly over the head of blue dot man? Really?

The fact that these clips are so perfectly time-synced means there really is no wriggle room here:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1847 on: January 12, 2022, 12:51:13 PM »
They are not aligned. Your 'handkerchief' in Bell is too far to the east to be the waving object we see in Towner.
Please show where do you think Tina Towner is in Bell film?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1847 on: January 12, 2022, 12:51:13 PM »