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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1776 on: September 22, 2021, 09:38:32 PM »
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1777 on: September 22, 2021, 11:56:01 PM »
Question!

Why is Mr Bill Shelley's name handwritten at the top of an interrogation report that doesn't once mention his name?


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1778 on: September 24, 2021, 12:39:06 AM »
Question!

Why is Mr Bill Shelley's name handwritten at the top of an interrogation report that doesn't once mention his name?



Now!

The above interrogation report makes no mention of Mr Shelley. However, Mr Shelley's name is handwritten in, indicating that he is in some IMPORTANT way relevant to things said in Mr Oswald's first interrogation session.

Well! The above report is followed up with a report on the SAME interrogation session only this time the report is written by Agent BOOKHOUT alone-----------------it is not a JOINT report, like with the first report.

However! As we discovered in 2019, Agent HOSTY---------co-author of the JOINT report above----------ALSO wrote a SOLO report, BEFORE Agent Hosty did, on that SAME first interrogation. Agent Hosty's original report records with perfect clarity that Mr Oswald stated that he
--------visited the second-floor lunchroom for a Coke BEFORE the P. Parade (NO mention of any officer-'n'-Truly encounter there!)
--------then went downstairs to one to eat his lunch
--------"Then went outside to watch P. Parade"

Mr Oswald, in that first interrogation session, named Mr Shelley (his supervisor, whom he had seen at City Hall shortly before his interrogation) as one of the people he was near as he watched the P. Parade and heard the shots. He can have fully expected Mr Shelley to confirm his presence on the steps.

Unlike in the JOINT interrogation report (by Agents Bookhout & Hosty), the Bookhout SOLO report DOES mention Mr Shelley, and in a way that makes his being named by Mr Oswald SAFE, i.e. in a way that reinforces the fake new timeframe that has been given to Mr Oswald's claims:
--------visited the second-floor lunchroom for a Coke DURING WHICH VISIT a cop came in with Mr Truly
--------then went downstairs to eat lunch
--------Then went outside and stood around with Mr Shelley, who indicated work would not be resumed for the rest of the day

OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca–cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. MR. TRULY was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees’ lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY, and thereafter went home.

This is the switcheroo, folks:
Then went outside to watch P. Parade (Hosty solo report)-------------------->Then went outside several minutes after the P. Parade (Bookhout solo report)


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1779 on: September 24, 2021, 01:28:56 AM »
Now!

The above interrogation report makes no mention of Mr Shelley. However, Mr Shelley's name is handwritten in, indicating that he is in some IMPORTANT way relevant to things said in Mr Oswald's first interrogation session.

Well! The above report is followed up with a report on the SAME interrogation session only this time the report is written by Agent BOOKHOUT alone-----------------it is not a JOINT report, like with the first report.

However! As we discovered in 2019, Agent HOSTY---------co-author of the JOINT report above----------ALSO wrote a SOLO report, BEFORE Agent Hosty did, on that SAME first interrogation. Agent Hosty's original report records with perfect clarity that Mr Oswald stated that he
--------visited the second-floor lunchroom for a Coke BEFORE the P. Parade (NO mention of any officer-'n'-Truly encounter there!)
--------then went downstairs to one to eat his lunch
--------"Then went outside to watch P. Parade"

Mr Oswald, in that first interrogation session, named Mr Shelley (his supervisor, whom he had seen at City Hall shortly before his interrogation) as one of the people he was near as he watched the P. Parade and heard the shots. He can have fully expected Mr Shelley to confirm his presence on the steps.

Unlike in the JOINT interrogation report (by Agents Bookhout & Hosty), the Bookhout SOLO report DOES mention Mr Shelley, and in a way that makes his being named by Mr Oswald SAFE, i.e. in a way that reinforces the fake new timeframe that has been given to Mr Oswald's claims:
--------visited the second-floor lunchroom for a Coke DURING WHICH VISIT a cop came in with Mr Truly
--------then went downstairs to eat lunch
--------Then went outside and stood around with Mr Shelley, who indicated work would not be resumed for the rest of the day

OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca–cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. MR. TRULY was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees’ lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY, and thereafter went home.



This is the switcheroo, folks:
Then went outside to watch P. Parade (Hosty solo report)-------------------->Then went outside several minutes after the P. Parade (Bookhout solo report)
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I had noticed that someone's name had been typed over in the Bookhout report for 11-22-63 ....The name Bill Shelly had been typed over the original entry....  Was there a simple  mistake or was the name changed for some other reason.???

The really odd thing I noticed when I was looking for Hosty / Bookhout report is the closing sentence of that report.....( page 613 WR)  That final sentence reads...Quote...." Oswald frantically denied shooting Dallas police officer Tippit" or shooting President John F. Kennedy."...unquote

The weird thing is NO WHERE in the reports of the initial questioning of LHO is there any mention of Fritz asking Lee anything about the shooting of Tippit.....  So why would Lee "frantically deny shooting Dallas police officer Tippit"     Fritz hadn't questioned him about  the shooting of Tippit. I don't believe this denial actually happened...I believe that Bookhout made that bit up....

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1780 on: September 24, 2021, 02:05:46 AM »
I had noticed that someone's name had been typed over in the Bookhout report for 11-22-63 ....The name Bill Shelly had been typed over the original entry....  Was there a simple  mistake or was the name changed for some other reason.???

Looks like "SHELLY" is corrected for "SHELLEY"

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The really odd thing I noticed when I was looking for Hosty / Bookhout report is the closing sentence of that report.....( page 613 WR)  That final sentence reads...Quote...." Oswald frantically denied shooting Dallas police officer Tippit" or shooting President John F. Kennedy."...unquote

The weird thing is NO WHERE in the reports of the initial questioning of LHO is there any mention of Fritz asking Lee anything about the shooting of Tippit.....  So why would Lee "frantically deny shooting Dallas police officer Tippit"     Fritz hadn't questioned him the shooting of Tippit. I don't believe this denial actually happened...I believe that Bookhout made that bit up....

Mr Oswald was given to understand that he stood accused of two things:
1. INVOLVEMENT in the shooting of Pres. Kennedy (not the actual pulling of the trigger)
2. The SHOOTING of Officer Tippit

Mr Oswald made this clear in the midnight press conference-------------------which was suddenly shut down as soon as he was told he had been charged with the SHOOTING of Pres. Kennedy

He was played, but good------------------and that's why he never shouted his ironclad alibi to the pressmen

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1781 on: September 24, 2021, 02:38:23 AM »
Mr Oswald in that first interrogation session tells Captain Fritz that he "went outside to watch P. Parade". One can presume that he is asked exactly where he stood, and if anyone can vouch for him. One can further presume that he mentions Mr Shelley, Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier.

Mr Shelley... Mr Lovelady... Mr Frazier: These three men become a real danger to the 'investigation', because they are eyewitnesses to Mr Oswald's alibi.

Now--------------Mr Shelley and Mr Lovelady each give an affidavit statement on their sightings of Mr Oswald that day. NEITHER states outright in these affidavits that they did not see Mr Oswald at the time of the P. Parade. Instead, that question is left as a weird gap, a weird silence. Pretty soon, however the bullet will be fully bitten and they will be pressurized into stating a positive lie: no, I didn't see Oswald at that time. The danger posed by Mr Shelley and Mr Lovelady has been neutralized.

However! Mr Frazier has gone AWOL. It is a matter of extreme urgency that he be found, brought in and told to shut up about who was there on the steps with him. A threatened charge of conspiracy will do the trick, all on the flimsy pretext that he drove Mr Oswald to work that morning just as he had driven him to and from work on quite a few occasions before that.

If finding confederates to Mr Oswald's alleged deed had been a serious consideration, then the Paines (owners of the home from which the alleged rifle came) and Mrs Marina Oswald (Russian wife of the accused) would have been arrested and threatened with a conspiracy charge).

And Mr Warren Caster, who brought two rifles into the Depository two days before the shooting, would have been arrested and treated as a suspect.

No--------------Mr Frazier posed a danger to the Oswald-Did-It narrative and so needed to be neutralized .

Another figure of possibly great danger to the 'investigation' is Mr Joe Molina, whom Mr Oswald may also have mentioned (if he knew the man's name) as someone who was out there on the steps. And of course we know that Mr Molina will be subjected to intense pressure on a similar level to that exerted on Mr Frazier.

Mr Oswald had an alibi, stated his alibi, and the cover-up machine went into absolute overdrive.

Why, they even went to the lengths of placing an impossible shadow down Mr Lovelady in the Wiegman film!



And the version of the Altgens photograph shown to the American public by Mr Walter Cronkite the evening of 11/22/63 is NOT the version of the photograph researchers have scrutinized minutely over the decades!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1782 on: September 24, 2021, 02:54:10 AM »
I believe Mr Frazier knows full well where Mr Oswald was at the time of the shooting----------------------

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Offline Mitch Todd

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1783 on: September 24, 2021, 10:18:55 AM »
Question!

Why is Mr Bill Shelley's name handwritten at the top of an interrogation report that doesn't once mention his name?


Notice the "KP" at the top. That stands for "Key Persons." This copy of the report was from Shelley's KP folder. "Key Person" is the term the WC used for people they wanted to call to testify, or considered particularly significant.  A sort of dossier was created for each of these key people, and it was filled with reports, affidavits, depositions, memos, and similar documents that relate somehow to that person, at least as far as the WC staff was concerned. Some of these documents only relate tangentially or indirectly to the KP they are attached to. In Shelley's case, there is also a memo from Eisenberg to Rankin laying out the former's suspicion of Jack Daugherty as a possible suspect. IIRC it specifically mentions Roy Truly's name, but never mentions Shelley.