Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Zeon Mason]

If Oswald was “lingering for several minutes” out front on the steps after meeting Baker/ Truly then

1. Oswald is NOT in much hurry to leave the TSBD to return to his boarding room at this point in time.
2. If not in a hurry, therefore, would not Oswald consider going to get his jacket left somewhere inside the TSBD, before he begins his trip to return to his boarding house?
3. Since it’s Mr.Kaiser linked to this story of finding CE 163 in the Domino room , then if the clip board story is suspect, then so is the jacket in Domino room story
4. Did Oswald perform his type of work lifting and moving boxes while carrying /wearing items such as his bracelet, ring, keys to house /room and P.O. Box , his wallet with possibly 13$ (= $100 in 2021) , on his person in loose shirt and pants pockets?
5. A plausible answer to 4. Is that Oswald took these items and placed them in his jacket pockets for safe keeping to avoid accidental loss while performing his job.
6. It’s plausible that Oswald therefore placed his jacket somewhere in TSBD that he thought to be more secure than in the Domino room.
7. One place could be the 2nd floor lunchroom closet or a room adjacent to lunchroom
8. If Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald at 12:15 in the 2nd floor lunchroom, it is therefore plausible that Oswald may have left his jacket there after leaving to go back down to the Domino room where it’s likely he was at 12:23 so as to have  heard/seen Jarman/Norman returning thru back door of TSBD.
9. 12:25, Oswald moves to the front lobby without his CE 163 Blue jacket, having left it in 2nd floor lunchroom closet or other adjacent storage room.
He may have been seen here also by Carolyn Arnold given that she never really categorically denied the 12:25 FBI report when she made her later 12:15 FBI statement.
10. The probability factor that Oswald could have been such an obstruction in front of the TSBD door that it caused a collision with a DPD cop with his gun drawn and subsequent Mr.Truly having to vouch for Oswald, and this event  was totally unnoticed   by Mr Williams, Mr Shelley adjacent and Pauline Sanders also, makes this an scenario defying reasonable probability and thus less plausible than other possibilities.
11. An alternative possibility that does not require one to have to result to label Baker/Truly as abject liars, does not require a leap beyond reasonable probability, yet preserves the principle PM=Oswald theory, is the Oswald Follows After Baker/Truly scenario, and is predicated on the passenger elevator being used by Oswald to 2nd floor which allows a more probable coincidental timing of an 85 sec post shots sighting by Baker of Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

[Alan Ford]

Why can't Mr Oswald have simply lingered at the front entrance for a couple of minutes after the shooting, as others did?

If you're a LNer that would fly in the face of your tale that Lee was fleeing the scene....

However I believe that Lee said that he stood around outside for a few minutes before telling Shelley that he was going to take the afternoon off because there wouldn't be any work done that afternoon.  I believe there are photos that show Lee Oswald standing on the street in front of the TSBD.  He has his hands in his pockets ( just like the photo taken in Minsk) and he's watching the activity in the railroad switch yard. He's wearing a brown shirt and gray trousers.

Can you point us to this photo, Mr Cakebread?

[Alan Ford]

10. The probability factor that Oswald could have been such an obstruction in front of the TSBD door that it caused a collision

No collision. Officer Baker had a v. fleeting exchange with the man before Mr Truly took over. Scarcely ANYONE on those steps even noticed---or was willing afterwards to say they noticed---either Mr Truly or Officer Baker come running up.

I reckon several people saw the LHO-Baker-Truly encounter but shut up about it-------steering clear of trouble by claiming not even to have noticed Officer Baker's or Mr Truly's running up the steps and going through the glass door!

with a DPD cop with his gun drawn and subsequent Mr.Truly having to vouch for Oswald, and this event  was totally unnoticed   by Mr Williams, Mr Shelley adjacent

So Mr Shelley is still on the steps?

and Pauline Sanders also,

Who didn't even notice Mr Truly come running up

Thankfully the v. fleeting incident was noticed by Mr Lovelady and whoever spoke about it afterwards to DPD, who reported it to the press that same day.

makes this an scenario defying reasonable probability and thus less plausible than other possibilities.
11. An alternative possibility that does not require one to have to result to label Baker/Truly as abject liars, does not require a leap beyond reasonable probability, yet preserves the principle PM=Oswald theory, is the Oswald Follows After Baker/Truly scenario, and is predicated on the passenger elevator being used by Oswald to 2nd floor which allows a more probable coincidental timing of an 85 sec post shots sighting by Baker of Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Nope--the encounter happened at the front entrance. The lunchroom encounter is a fiction created by the 'investigating' authorities.

If you still disagree, do you believe Mr Oswald bought TWO cokes in the lunchroom----------one pre-motorcade, the other just after the assassination? Because that's the only way one can even begin to reconcile how the lunchroom is covered in the Hosty draft interrogation report and how it's covered in the later Bookhout solo interrogation report (both covering the same interrogation session)

Much simpler and more logical solution: Mr Oswald's claims (visited the lunchroom pre-motorcade, then went down to one, then went outside to watch P. Parade) were true-------and had to be buried

[Walt Cakebread]

Can you point us to this photo, Mr Cakebread?

One of the photos is printed on page 68 of Groden's TKOAP. It is the color photo at the top of the page. I believe Billy Lovelady is standing beside Lee Oswald.

[Zeon Mason]

Where is Lovelady on record having stated something specific about seeing Oswald encounter Baker and Truly at the entrance door of TSBD?

[Alan Ford]

Exhibit A: from Mr Bill Shelley's #2 affidavit, 11/22/63:



This says that Mr Shelley saw Mr Oswald periodically before noon, but never saw him after that. Right? NOPE. It only creates that impression by saying nothing at all about whether Mr Shelley saw Mr Oswald at the time of the actual shooting. The word "after" (the President's accident) does the crucial work of time-leaping misdirection here.

Exhibit B: from Mr Jack Dougherty's affidavit 11/22/63:



This says that the last time Mr Dougherty saw Mr Oswald was on the sixth floor shortly before noon. Right? NOPE. It only creates that impression via the phrase "after lunch". What's being left out here? Thanks to Mr Jack Dougherty's interview with Mr Gill Toff a few years after the assassination, we know the answer: Mr Dougherty's sighting of Mr Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom shortly before the motorcade (i.e. DURING lunch).

Exhibit C: from Mr Billy Lovelady's FBI interview report 11/22/63:



This says that the last time Mr Lovelady saw Mr Oswald was around 11:50am. Right? NOPE. It only creates that impression via the weasel word "contact". Then it uses that same word we see in the Shelley & Dougherty affidavits: "after". The phrase "After the shooting" allows the statement to leap from 11:50am to after the assassination. Not a peep about whether or not Mr Lovelady saw Mr Oswald at or around the time of the assassination itself. (This, recall, is the same Mr Billy Lovelady who has already told Mr James Jarman about his witnessing of a front entrance encounter between Mr Oswald, an officer and Mr Truly!)

Three massive facts are being artfully buried in these early witness statements:
1. Mr Shelley saw Mr Oswald out on the front steps at the time of the assassination
2. Mr Dougherty saw Mr Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom before the motorcade
3. Mr Lovelady saw Mr Oswald out on the front steps at the time of the assassination (and/or very shortly thereafter)

 

[Alan Ford]

Where is Lovelady on record having stated something specific about seeing Oswald encounter Baker and Truly at the entrance door of TSBD?

He told Mr James Jarman all about it, who in turn told the HSCA all about it

[Zeon Mason]

Mr. Ford , you are going to have to write a book soon

Thanks for additional information on these critical witnesses secondary and third party statements, which the WC JFK witness page unfortunately does
Not reference.