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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1616 on: August 24, 2021, 03:34:08 AM »
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We know that this happened in the very first interrogation. The fact that Mr Oswald did not subsequently yell his alibi to the pressmen tells us that Mr Oswald did not feel any need to yell his alibi to the pressmen. This in turn tells us how Captain Fritz was handling the awkward fact that his suspect had an alibi: he made said suspect believe that he was on the hook for something other than having fired shots at Pres. Kennedy.

 :D :D :D :D

O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive! From an initial Hosty note which I have told you on multiple occasions in no way supports what you think it does, you're now forced to create from absolutely nothing some totally unbelievable narrative which is at complete odds with even the simplest logic, but hey whatever, good luck even convincing the most cynical conspiracy believer who btw have been avoiding this thread like the plague. Hahahahahaha!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1616 on: August 24, 2021, 03:34:08 AM »


Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1617 on: August 24, 2021, 06:40:23 AM »
Not to  cause Mr Mytton to post rolling eyes smileys, but it just occurred to me that if Oswald is PM that there might be yet one more speculative reason why Oswald seemed to be anxious to return to his boarding house ASAP.

Because Oswald heard the shots while on the steps and recognized them sounding uncannily similar to how he remembered his own rifle sounded when firing 6.5 mm ammo.

If Oswald had removed his rifle from
Paines garage in Oct 63 and relocated it to keep it at his boarding room , and Oswald was also aware FBI were surveillmg him, then it’s not so implausible that hearing shots similar to his rifle might prompt a paranoid feeling of impending  “set up” in progress.

Since Oswald theoretically therefore was seeking to leave TSBD ASAP, then if he met Baker/Truly as early as 35 sec post shots at the TSBD  entrance door or just in the 1st floor lobby , then what accounts for Oswald lingering for almost 2 min inside the lobby such that he is able to have meeting with Pierce Allman (reporter) approx 2:15 sec post shots?

Allman was interviewing the Newman’s on the grassy knoll before he traveled To  the TSBD so it’s probable he did not enter TSBD  any earlier than about 2 min post shots

If Allmans story is true, then the timing of Allmans encounter with Oswald coincides  better with a scenario of Oswald having followed AFTER Baker/Truly entered TSBD and Oswald used the passenger elevator to 2nd floor which speeds up his arrival time entering the 2nd floor (from hallway) lunchroom to coincide with Baker/Truly using rear staircase to arrive approx 80-85 sec post shots

Oswald returning to retrieve his jacket from the 2nd floor lunchroom, runs into Baker/Truly 85-90 sec post shots

Oswald leaves 2nd floor lunchroom 15 sec later , ( with jacket on) goes down rear staircase , crosses 1st floor, thru Truly counter top ( left open by Truly) and into the lobby (30 secs travel time)

Total time elapsed: 135 secs post shots = 2 min 15 sec post shots.


Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1618 on: August 24, 2021, 02:10:26 PM »
After the second-floor lunchroom encounter with Baker and Truly, Oswald encountered Mrs. Reid about 12:33. I believe Oswald then encountered NBC reporter Robert MacNeil at the front entrance late 12:33. MacNeil said the man directed him to a phone where his call was logged in at 12:34. It may be in the 12:34 range that the Depository entrance was guarded by police. I wouldn't say the entrance was "sealed off" because Billy Lovelady, for example, was out on the steps having a smoke about 12:45-50.

Allman being the man encountered by Oswald is just a possibility advanced by Gary Mack, who, like Allman, was in Dallas media. Allman and the man who with him had no memory of the man being Oswald. Oswald didn't say there were two men.

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Offline Gerry Down

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1619 on: August 24, 2021, 02:20:51 PM »
Allman and the man who with him had no memory of the man being Oswald. Oswald didn't say there were two men.

Do we have any account of Terrence Fords movements once he went in the front door with Allman? It seems Allman was on the phone inside alone, so where did Terrence Ford go?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1620 on: August 24, 2021, 08:22:22 PM »
Some interesting reasoning, but....

The shots were initially thought by many to have come from (or in the direction of) the triple underpass. Whether Oswald was inside the building or out on the front steps then becomes a non issue and consequently he wouldn't need to go public with any alibi or even sell an alibi to Fritz.

Classic Nutter tactic to invent a need for Oswald to announce publicly a "perfect alibi".

Yes, Lee was not offering any alibi ( I believe that he didn't realize that he was going to silenced so he wouldn't be able to defend himself against the accusations )    However he DID unwittingly offer a couple of solid alibis, and had he been dealing with an honest organization he would have been released from custody on 11-22-63.    Lee told the interrogators that he had seen a couple of fellow employees walk by the Domino (1st floor lunchroom) room as he was eating his lunch in that Domino room.  He didn't know their full names but he told the interrogators that they were negroes, and one was called "Junior" and his companion was a short statured man.    We now know that the men were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman, and they unknowingly verified Lee's alibi when they said that they had in fact walked by the Domino room at about 12:26 / 12:27.

It would have been a very simple matter to contact Roy Truly and find Jarman and Norman and check if they had in fact passed by the Domino room just a couple of minutes before the shooting.   Had Fritz done that, he would have known that Lee couldn't have been on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting, and he should have released him at that point. 

The other solid alibi was the encounter with Baker and Truly....   Lee didn't even realize that the encounter was an alibi, when Fritz told him that one of his officers ( Baker) had seen Lee in the building.  Lee acknowledged that Baker had encountered him in the second floor lunchroom.   Had Lee known that the encounter had occurred less than two minutes after the shooting he could easily have pointed out the absurdity of his calm demeanor while buying a coke and had Lee known the shots were believed to have been fired from the sixth floor he could have pointed out that the time elapsed between the shooting and the lunchroom encounter precluded the possibility that he could have been ambushing the president at the time he was eating his lunch .

If the conspirators hadn't lied and distorted the timing of the lunchroom encounter they would have been compelled to release Lee Oswald. 
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1621 on: August 26, 2021, 02:16:58 AM »
:D :D :D :D

O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive! From an initial Hosty note which I have told you on multiple occasions in no way supports what you think it does

:D

So Mr Oswald's claim that he "went outside to watch P. Parade" in no way supports the idea that Mr Oswald claimed he was outside for the P. Parade. Yet another desperate Supah-Doopah-Mytton-Claim!

Who said this on 11/22/63, Mr Mytton, and what is your interpretation of these words' meaning?



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1622 on: August 26, 2021, 02:21:13 AM »
After the second-floor lunchroom encounter with Baker and Truly

Never happened

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, Oswald encountered Mrs. Reid about 12:33.

Never happened

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I believe Oswald then encountered NBC reporter Robert MacNeil at the front entrance late 12:33. MacNeil said the man directed him to a phone where his call was logged in at 12:34. It may be in the 12:34 range that the Depository entrance was guarded by police. I wouldn't say the entrance was "sealed off" because Billy Lovelady, for example, was out on the steps having a smoke about 12:45-50.

Mr Lovelady told Mr James Jarman he saw Mr Oswald stopped at the front entrance by an officer and Mr Truly. Just as DPD told the press that day.

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Allman being the man encountered by Oswald is just a possibility advanced by Gary Mack, who, like Allman, was in Dallas media. Allman and the man who with him had no memory of the man being Oswald. Oswald didn't say there were two men.

So not a single person recalled seeing Mr Oswald at the front entrance at this time. Noted!  Thumb1:
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1623 on: August 26, 2021, 02:26:35 AM »
Do we have any account of Terrence Fords movements once he went in the front door with Allman? It seems Allman was on the phone inside alone, so where did Terrence Ford go?

Mr Pierce Allman, Sixth Floor Museum interview:

"I... went up the steps of the Depository building and there was a guy in the doorway and I ran up to him and asked him where a phone was, and he jerked his thumb and said 'In there'. I thanked him and went on in."

Mr Oswald was twice asked for directions at the front entrance-----------first by Officer Baker, then by (IMO) Mr Allman