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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1608 on: August 22, 2021, 03:04:44 AM »
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Oswalds “Naturally if I work in that building” without further elaboration defining the most critical detail of “out on the front entrance terrace”, is the problem imo

And this is because this lack of candor about such crucial detail is BEFORE, Oswald has been interrogated by Fritz

So how can Mr. Fords explanation for Oswald remaining silent because of what Fritz may have told Oswald be valid for Oswalds lack of candor before Fritz has interrogated Oswald?


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1608 on: August 22, 2021, 03:04:44 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1609 on: August 22, 2021, 07:19:26 AM »
Oswalds “Naturally if I work in that building” without further elaboration defining the most critical detail of “out on the front entrance terrace”, is the problem imo

And this is because this lack of candor about such crucial detail is BEFORE, Oswald has been interrogated by Fritz

So how can Mr. Fords explanation for Oswald remaining silent because of what Fritz may have told Oswald be valid for Oswalds lack of candor before Fritz has interrogated Oswald?

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And this is because this lack of candor about such crucial detail is BEFORE, Oswald has been interrogated by Fritz

Not that I have the slightest belief in the ridiculous "Fritz keeping Oswald silent scenario" but wasn't the start of Oswald's first interrogation about 2:25 which wasn't long after Oswald arrived at the Police station?, do you have any evidence that Oswald agreeing with being in the building happened before 2:25?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1610 on: August 23, 2021, 04:25:07 AM »
“When the police car bringing Oswald from the Texas Theater drove into the police headquarters at about 2 p.m. on Friday, some reporters and cameramen, principally from local papers and stations, were already on hand. The policemen formed a wedge around Oswald and conducted him to the elevator, but several newsmen crowded into the elevator with Oswald and the police. When the elevator stopped at the third floor, the cameramen ran ahead down the corridor, and then turned around and backed up, taking pictures of Oswald as he was escorted toward the homicide and robbery bureau office. According to one escorting officer, some six or seven reporters followed the police into the bureau office.80”

Source: The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection, Warren Commission Report: Table of Contents, Chapter 5

Are not the very 1st questions by reporters shouted at Oswald at this point in time?








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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1610 on: August 23, 2021, 04:25:07 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1611 on: August 23, 2021, 10:40:06 AM »
“When the police car bringing Oswald from the Texas Theater drove into the police headquarters at about 2 p.m. on Friday, some reporters and cameramen, principally from local papers and stations, were already on hand. The policemen formed a wedge around Oswald and conducted him to the elevator, but several newsmen crowded into the elevator with Oswald and the police. When the elevator stopped at the third floor, the cameramen ran ahead down the corridor, and then turned around and backed up, taking pictures of Oswald as he was escorted toward the homicide and robbery bureau office. According to one escorting officer, some six or seven reporters followed the police into the bureau office.80”

Source: The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection, Warren Commission Report: Table of Contents, Chapter 5

Are not the very 1st questions by reporters shouted at Oswald at this point in time?

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Are not the very 1st questions by reporters shouted at Oswald at this point in time?

How do you know that Oswald's "in the building" comment was in the first set of questions?
At the start of that piece of footage @1:03 Oswald says "I'd like to have some legal representation and these Police officers have not allowed me to have any" which seems strange if he's complaining about the lower ranked arresting officers who Oswald must have known really have no say if Oswald is allowed to be legally represented or not?
But to me it makes sense for Oswald after meeting Fritz The Captain of Homicide and Robbery Bureau, to make the "legal representation" statement because he's already spent an hour and half being interrogated by the Boss and Oswald would realize at this stage he would have more credibility because he's spent considerable intimate time with the Police.

One of the arresting Police officers C. T. Walker who also accompanied Oswald to the Police station doesn't recall Oswald asking for a lawyer.

Mr. BELIN. Did he ever ask for a lawyer in your presence?
Mr. WALKER. I don't recall. I think he said - I know he was repeating, "I know my rights." I don't recall him actually asking for a lawyer.


Whereas Sergeant Hill did recall Oswald asking for a Lawyer at the Texas Theatre but doesn't recall Oswald making any more requests for an attorney on the way to the Police station and Hill speculated that Oswald thought it best to keep his mouth shut.

Mr. BELIN. He had said this in the theatre?
Mr. HILL. Yes; when we arrested him, he wanted his lawyer. He knew his rights.
Mr. BELIN. Did he ever say he requested an attorney on the way down to the police station?
Mr. HILL. I do not recall. I was going to say that by making the statement earlier, it is possible, it is a possibility that he decided the best thing to do was keep his mouth shut; that is a supposition on my part, and I couldn't prove it as to the reason he didn't say any more on the way to the police station.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1612 on: August 24, 2021, 01:48:41 AM »
Ok, if Oswald has no comments recorded by press cameramen until after 2 hrs of interrogation, then it must be in that early interval of interrogation that Oswald for some reason chose not to publicly disclose his out front steps alibi at his 1st opportunity encounter with press cameramen.

Oswald at some point during the several intervals of interrogation made the P.Parade statement so de facto revealed his crucial alibi (privately)in presence of FBI agent Hosty.

Options (if Oswald really is PM) :

A.Oswald is overconfident that he has an alibi and miscalculates to
not divulge publicly the alibi until securing his preferred attorney to find photo and film evidence to use in a lawsuit later ( fame and fortune opportunity?)

B.Oswald  revealed to Fritz early in the first 2 hr interrogation of his out front steps alibi and Fritz was able to find some initial evidence (Altgens 1st print?) indicating possible image of Oswald “on the steps”.  Fritz therefore reassured Oswald that he was only being “detained” as a possible suspect for Tippet shooting.

C. Some other “authority” such as CIA agent informs Oswald not to speak about alibi until a suspected impersonator assassin has been found and “terminated” in order not to expose CIA “twins” agents program

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1612 on: August 24, 2021, 01:48:41 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1613 on: August 24, 2021, 02:54:05 AM »
No worries but besides your self serving interpretations, you still haven't addressed the elephant in the room, if Oswald was innocent and had the perfect alibi he wouldn't just deny shooting the President, Oswald would use all the ammunition in his defence and at every opportunity would just simply say that he was outside on the steps watching the President.

I have addressed this question of yours multiple times on this thread. The fact that you haven't been able to rebut my argument is telling!  Thumb1:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1614 on: August 24, 2021, 02:54:43 AM »
Now that I have manipulated you into spilling the beans, how can any sane person blame me for staying away from your question? which as I predicted would have an equally incomprehensible explanation, I liken it to and the closest analogy is being out in public and being followed by some wild eyed maniac who's babbling incoherently while wearing a tinfoil hat.
Who in their right mind would attempt to have a civilized conversation with this person?

JohnM

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What a sore loser you are, Mr Mytton!

Your two big defeaters for the Oswald-Out-Front claim have evaporated:
---------------a) the "in the building at the time" exchange with the reporter
---------------b) Mr Oswald's 'failure' to tell the press about his alibi.

What else you got?  Thumb1:
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1615 on: August 24, 2021, 02:59:56 AM »
Ok, if Oswald has no comments recorded by press cameramen until after 2 hrs of interrogation, then it must be in that early interval of interrogation that Oswald for some reason chose not to publicly disclose his out front steps alibi at his 1st opportunity encounter with press cameramen.

Oswald at some point during the several intervals of interrogation made the P.Parade statement so de facto revealed his crucial alibi (privately)in presence of FBI agent Hosty.

We know that this happened in the very first interrogation. The fact that Mr Oswald did not subsequently yell his alibi to the pressmen tells us that Mr Oswald did not feel any need to yell his alibi to the pressmen. This in turn tells us how Captain Fritz was handling the awkward fact that his suspect had an alibi: he made said suspect believe that he was on the hook for something other than having fired shots at Pres. Kennedy.