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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1576 on: August 09, 2021, 11:47:05 PM »
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    "Mr. BAKER - I never did have a chance to see him in the lineup. I saw
          him when I went to give the affidavit, the statement that I saw him
          down there, of the actions of myself and Mr. Truly as we went into
          the building and on up what we are discussing now."

Since the details of the encounter takes about 15% of the affidavit, I doubt Baker was mainly going to give his affidavit about the encounter. Hardly the "chief point". And in his testimony, Baker says he saw the man mentioned in the only encounter in the affidavit, Oswald.

Unfortunately for you, Mr Organ, he says no such thing in the affidavit, which makes a nonsense of your scenario. You re-lose! Thumb1:

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Nah. You lose because Baker says nothing about your fantasy encounter with Oswald at the entrance. Instead he sees Oswald and then makes his affidavit describing the encounter inside the building. Direct linkage.

"Direct linkage", lol. The fact that the affidavit makes no linkage whatsoever between the man caught walking away from the rear stairway on the third or fourth floor and the man now in custody makes a nonsense of your scenario

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"I saw him when I went to give the affidavit."

How does this substantiate your wild claim that in his testimony Officer Baker says that upon seeing Mr Oswald he was compelled to add detail about the encounter? Looks like you made it up. Tsk tsk!

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He's ruled out because Truly vouched for him. Should Baker have let the man go, or shoot the man and Truly? No error in judgment at all. BTW, why would Baker and Truly lie about a second-floor with Oswald when they supposedly had a fourth-floor encounter that would put Oswald nearer the sixth floor?

Already explained, Mr Organ, as you well know:

---------there was every possibility that unimpeachable proof (photographic or otherwise) would yet emerge that Mr Oswald was at the front entrance at the time of the assassination
---------therefore the relocation of the encounter away from the front entrance was fraught with risk
---------said fictional encounter would have to be somewhere that Mr Oswald could conceivably have gotten to after being out front at the time of the assassination
---------hence the second-floor lunchroom encounter was chosen as the location of a fictional encounter

A location higher up would have been incompatible with LHO-Out-Front, thus risking the exposure of Mr Truly and Officer Baker as rank liars

For the same reason, both Mr Truly and Officer Baker were at pains to describe Mr Oswald in the (fictional) lunchroom encounter as not sweating, not out of breath, not agitated------------this needed to be an Oswald who could have come straight from out front and not the sixth floor.

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Why would Oswald go along with the encounter with Baker and Truly at the back of the building?

He didn't----------and his claim in interrogation to have gone outside to watch P. Parade was buried by your 'investigating' heroes (it only saw the light of day, to your and your Warren Gullible pals' horror, in 2019!)

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You're good at gas-lighting. I suggested to you that early press reports aren't reliable. That's why inquires are conducted.

The encounter happened at the front entrance, as Mr Oswald claimed, as Mr Billy Lovelady saw, and as DPD told the press 11/22. Then, on the evening/night of 11/22, the encounter was moved to the second-floor lunchroom. The following day, the press were fed the fiction about a second-floor lunchroom encounter.

This is why you can't find a single press reference to a second-floor lunchroom encounter prior to DPD's change of tune 11/23!  Thumb1:

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All we have from you is semantics and showing your gullibility by citing early press reports. Yawn.

You're losing the debate, Mr Organ!  Thumb1:
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1577 on: August 09, 2021, 11:51:37 PM »
What if  Oswald/PM did  NOT precede Baker into the TSBD lobby?

Here’s the scenario

Oswald /PM was observing Baker approaching the front entrance steps and remained in that west corner of entrance landing as Baker runs up the east side of the center handrail front steps and Baker enters the TSBD front lobby area.

PM may or may not have have observed Truly run up the steps , however Truly could easily have NOT noticed Oswald in the west corner.

Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz about a front entrance encounter. Mr Billy Lovelady saw the encounter at the front entrance. And DPD told the press all about it (until they realized they'd better stop doing so!)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1578 on: August 11, 2021, 03:29:22 PM »

Oswald told his interrogators that he had gone out to watch the Presidential motorcade. There is footage in two films showing someone looking like Oswald standing on the steps watching the motorcade. Game over.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1579 on: August 12, 2021, 02:33:06 AM »
Oswald told his interrogators that he had gone out to watch the Presidential motorcade. There is footage in two films showing someone looking like Oswald standing on the steps watching the motorcade. Game over.

 Fred


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1580 on: August 12, 2021, 10:28:31 AM »
Oswald told his interrogators that he had gone out to watch the Presidential motorcade. There is footage in two films showing someone looking like Oswald standing on the steps watching the motorcade. Game over.

 Fred

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someone looking like Oswald

 :D :D :D :D

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Game over.

 ::)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1581 on: August 12, 2021, 11:42:46 AM »

 Sigh. Some people are so determined to keep Oswald away from the steps.

 Fred

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1582 on: August 12, 2021, 01:41:19 PM »
Sigh. Some people are so determined to keep Oswald away from the steps.

 Fred

Sigh. Some people are so determined to place Oswald on the steps. Too bad he was placed @Tippit looking like himself.

Slam dunk.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1583 on: August 14, 2021, 12:38:04 AM »
In the  Darnell film sequence as Baker is nearing the front steps, PM does not appear to be moving away from the corner yet.

So What did PM do with his bottle

A. Placed it at the steps in the recessed portion where PM was standing, and possibly the bottle photographed at that step.

In this scenario, PM places bottle there just as Darnell film sequence of Baker approaching steps ends.

The encounter with Baker therefore is going to be within 5 secs and that’s virtually at or just  inside the front foyer TSBD entrance door.

B. Oswald keeps bottle in  hand, and moves immediately to entrance door as Darnell film ends.

The encounter with Baker happens 10 seconds later, fully inside the TSBD front foyer/lobby and conceivably Oswald is seen by Baker with the bottle of soda in hand, which later, Baker is compelled to strike out of an affidavit statement , possibly due to Mrs Reid’s statements of seeing Oswald with “Full” coke in hand and in T shirt only.