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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1504 on: April 07, 2021, 08:24:38 PM »
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Since Mrs Reid’s story is questionable at best , it may be discarded as “improbable”, therefore does not interfere with an Oswald returning to lunchroom to retrieve jacket scenario.

Worth noting that during Ms Reid's WC testimony Mr Belin is VERY interested in the conference room. One wonders what that's all about...............

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1504 on: April 07, 2021, 08:24:38 PM »


Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1505 on: April 20, 2021, 06:45:28 AM »
Buell W. Frazier claims to have seen Oswald near the Elm/Houston st intersection while Frazier remained momentarily standing outside at the front TSBD entrance post shots fired.

Pierce Allman, reporter , claims having seen Oswald in the front entrance lobby.

Both BWF and Allman probably entered the TSBD entrance foyer approx Not later than  2 min 45 sec post shots , since Barnett estimates it was between 2 min 30 secs and  3 min that he locked the front entrance door of TSBD.

There is no conflict with BWF and Allman sighting of Oswald if Oswald is PM as Oswald has enough time to return into TSBD approx 10 sec preceding Baker and Truly entering.

There is even enough time for Oswald to have gone up the front staircase as Baker/Truly proceed via 1st floor trek to take rear staircase, and for Oswald to have been seen in the 2nd floor lunchroom, Oswald returning there to retrieve his jacket
 
If there is no encounter with Mrs Reid and Oswald after the Baker/Truly encounter at approx 90 sec post shots
Then Oswald has enough time to encounter Pierce Allman as early as 2 min 15 sec post shots in the entrance foyer and still enough time after that for Oswald to exit the front entrance door, walk down 7 steps, cross 30ft of sidewalk, and be seen by BWF at Elm/Houston st intersection as early as 2 min 30 sec post shots.


In conclusion, it would appear that the Oswald=PM theory  is the ONLY one that allows Allman and BWF sightings of Oswald to be plausible.

The WC theory timeline for Oswald is immediately interrupted by the Mrs Garner statement per the Belin memo and further elaboraton by Garner of having “heard them” ie: Adams and Styles on the staircase.

Even if Garner could be discounted, the WC theory timeline considers Reid to be a credible witness and the Belin stopwatch time of 2 Minutes post shots as a time stamp, this making the exit of Oswald from 2nd floor office door not until approx 2 min 30 sec post shots if Oswald walked slowly across 90 ft distance (3ft/sec) while approaching Mrs Reid.

The earlier CT theory of Oswald in
The lunchroom or Domino room at time of shots fired, must be discarded due to the Hosty notes of Oswald allegedly stating having gone out to watch the P.Parade. There is no motive for Hosty to have contrived such note as it only aids Oswald, which is probably why Will Fritz not only omitted the Hosty note, but went to great length to discredit Hosty via a supposedly having Oswald denying ever making such statement.

Of course this “denial” by Oswald is not recorded and the public is left to choose whom to believe, Hosty, or Fritz and gang.


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1506 on: April 20, 2021, 10:22:46 PM »
The earlier CT theory of Oswald in
The lunchroom or Domino room at time of shots fired, must be discarded due to the Hosty notes of Oswald allegedly stating having gone out to watch the P.Parade. There is no motive for Hosty to have contrived such note as it only aids Oswald, which is probably why Will Fritz not only omitted the Hosty note, but went to great length to discredit Hosty via a supposedly having Oswald denying ever making such statement.

Of course this “denial” by Oswald is not recorded and the public is left to choose whom to believe, Hosty, or Fritz and gang.

Exactly. This case comes down to two main claims----------

CLAIM A: Mr Oswald was on the sixth floor firing at JFK
CLAIM B: Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade.

The 'investigating' authorities suppressed claim B. The reason why ain't hard to seek!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1507 on: May 08, 2021, 03:08:46 AM »
Ironically, if PM is Oswald,  an earlier departure from the front entrance at approx 2:30 post shots such that Oswald was seen by BWF at the Elm/Houston st intersection,  would allow Oswald time to have arrived at 10th and Patton at by 1:06 in time to shot DPD officer Tippit.

Here is the speculative adjusted timeline:

Oswald leaves Elm/Houston intersection at  2min 45 sec post shots (12:33pm)  after being sighted briefly by Buell W.Frazier just before BWF returned into TSBD ahead of DPD officer Barnett closing and locking the front entrance door by 3 min post shots

Oswald goes straight to William Wally taxi arriving there about 6 minutes later at 12:39

Experienced Taxi driver Walley takes only 7min 30 sec to reach location 5 blocks past Oswalds boarding house ( instead of the 9 min time trial  trip by WC less experienced test driver)

Oswald departs Wally taxi approx 12:47

Oswald double-time jogs the 5 blocks in 2min 30 sec (instead of walking time of 5 min) arriving at his boarding house entrance approx 12:50 pm

Oswald takes about 5 min to change clothes

Oswald departs boarding house therefore approx 12:55 pm.

Oswald could therefore theoretically walk “briskly” to 10th and Patton 0.9 mile away in 11 minutes thus arriving there at 1:06 pm.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1508 on: May 10, 2021, 12:57:20 AM »
Reminder!

A certain Mr Ken Duvall claimed to have been on the front steps at the time of the shooting.

Here he is in December '63:



And here-------------I'm pretty certain--------------he is shortly after the assassination:



And here is another image of him in those railroad yards----------



-----------that gives us a potentially crucial piece of information that the Hughes frames did not................

His shirt was short-sleeved.

Could Mr Duvall be Prayer Man?
« Last Edit: May 10, 2021, 12:57:59 AM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1509 on: May 10, 2021, 12:29:50 PM »

Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1510 on: May 10, 2021, 02:27:37 PM »
Doesn't look like Prayerman's hairstyle, Alan.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1511 on: May 10, 2021, 06:14:38 PM »
Doesn't look like Prayerman's hairstyle, Alan.

I think Prayer Man's hairstyle is consistent both with Mr Oswald's and with Mr Duvall's @11/22/63



As I have suggested before, Prayer Man may be standing with arms folded, his RIGHT arm holding a light-colored object that gives the illusion of a left arm.

Mr Duvall (in the railroad yards) has what appears to be a newspaper (or order sheets?) in his breastpocket.
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