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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1496 on: March 30, 2021, 10:35:04 PM »
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Not to mention how the spacing between the dark and light stripes is different.

Huh?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1497 on: March 30, 2021, 10:56:52 PM »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1498 on: March 30, 2021, 11:05:44 PM »
Was the Weigman film that conspirators saw in 63 , the dark background version in which PM is about 95% obscured?

Or did They have a lightened version that shows PM more defined as in the more recent version in 2021?

IMO, the PM figure may not have been visible in Weigman 1st edition and that’s perhaps why the figure was not blackened out /cut out  in 2nd edition films released for public viewing.

However the shirt Lovelady was wearing is seen in Hughes and Bronson films and is clearly NOT a vertical stripe short sleeve shirt.

Surely the conspirators examined all the films  did they not?

So asking Lovelady to wear a completely different pattern shirt with short sleeves ,  3 months post assassination is  like closing  the barn door after the horse has bolted.:)


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1498 on: March 30, 2021, 11:05:44 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1499 on: March 31, 2021, 09:32:48 AM »
Was the Weigman film that conspirators saw in 63 , the dark background version in which PM is about 95% obscured?

Or did They have a lightened version that shows PM more defined as in the more recent version in 2021?

IMO, the PM figure may not have been visible in Weigman 1st edition and that’s perhaps why the figure was not blackened out /cut out  in 2nd edition films released for public viewing.

However the shirt Lovelady was wearing is seen in Hughes and Bronson films and is clearly NOT a vertical stripe short sleeve shirt.

Surely the conspirators examined all the films  did they not?

So asking Lovelady to wear a completely different pattern shirt with short sleeves ,  3 months post assassination is  like closing  the barn door after the horse has bolted.:)

And yet here we have Mr Lovelady, in conversation with private citizen Mr Jones Harris a couple of months after the FBI photo session, doubling down on the vertically striped sport shirt claim-------------



As the FBI report on the photo session, written in March '64, would not have been available to the general public by this point, Mr Harris must have gotten this information from Mr Lovelady himself (along with a telling new detail not found in the report: "buttoned near the neck").
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1500 on: March 31, 2021, 09:45:34 AM »
Worth bearing in mind, friends, that when the Prayer Man thing first 'broke' back in 2013 a bunch of Warren Gullibles, not understanding the basics of the issue, offered their instant solution: 'It's Lovelady!'

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1501 on: April 03, 2021, 01:24:38 AM »
Well! As the motorcade turns from Houston St onto Elm St, we have three Depository people standing together
----------Mr Roy Truly
----------Mr Ochus Campbell
----------Ms Jeraldean Reid

Fast forward a few minutes, and------out of ALL the Depository folk-------just three people will supposedly have seen Mr Oswald just after the shooting
----------Mr Roy Truly
----------Mr Ochus Campbell
----------Ms Jeraldean Reid

Now, if it were the case that these three stayed together and saw Mr Oswald together, that would be one thing. But nothing of the sort--------we are supposed to believe that, out of ALL the Depository folk who might have seen Mr Oswald, it was these three who saw him independently of one another and in three separate sightings.

Quite a koinky-dink, don't you think?
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1502 on: April 04, 2021, 08:11:49 AM »
I would  like to propose a 3rd place that Oswald might have left his jacket:

The 2nd floor storage room adjacent to the conference room which one would have to enter by using the 2nd floor lunchroom.

I’m suggesting this as a more secure place than the 1st floor front staircase storage room.

Oswald has some items such as a bracelet, a ring, a billfold w/13$ cash (=$100 by current day) and his one and only ID card, and possibly keys to boarding house and room, and a key to Post office box?

Since Mrs Reid’s story is questionable at best , it may be discarded as “improbable”, therefore does not interfere with an Oswald returning to lunchroom to retrieve jacket scenario.

This leaves Baker/Truly and Geneva Hines stories

Geneva Hines MAY have been in the women’s bathroom, as her intention was to find a south side window for which reason she was banging on  2 different office doors. It is  doubtful she gave up on this quest after failure at the 2nd office door and thus she went into the ladies room and was able to see out a south facing window, She could have been 2 minutes or more in that bathroom observing post assassination.

With Baker and Truly, one has 3 choices:

A. Baker//Truly saw Oswald in the front lobby at the front  storage room, and B/T decided to become conspiratorial liars, moving the meeting of Oswald to 2nd floor lunchroom

B. Baker/Truly did not see  Oswald at all or saw Oswald on some upper 3rd or 4th floor, and B/T decided to become conspiratorial liars and moved Oswald to 2nd floor lunchroom for some reason.

C. Baker and Truly actually DID see Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom approx 85-90 sec post shots, and the only error on their part was believing the WC theory that Oswald must have just come down the staircase. This option , Baker /Truly are Not conspirators, and are just reporting an observation.


IMO, option C. Is plausible again because Oswald may be PM and PM is returning into the TSBD some 10-12 seconds before Baker enters the lobby , primary reason being to get the jacket containing Oswalds valuable items from the more secure 2nd floor conference room storage room.

The timing of Oswald starting up the front staircase is approx 35 sec post shots which coincides well with Baker/Truly starting a trek from just inside the entrance door at 35sec post shots , to cross the lobby to the 2nd set of glass doors entering the front desk area by Truly’s office.

Oswalds travel time:

18 steps, a mid landing, an upper landing, and opening an immediate door = 20 secs

A 20 ft section of hall, then a 90 degree left turn to a 50ft length hall, then 90 degree right turn to 30 ft hall, then open door to enter vestibule, cross another 6-8ft and open the lunchroom door = 25 more seconds presuming pace approx 4-5 ft/sec.

This at approx 80-85 secs post shots Oswald is passing thru vestibule and opening lunchroom door just as Baker arrives to 2nd floor landing at the rear staircase.


Note 1: the passenger elevator could have been used by Oswald, which would make the meeting w/Baker/Truly in lunchroom NOT as plausible as Oswald would reach vestibule area 25 secs earlier than Baker arriving to 2nd floor landing

Note 2: the passenger elevator may have been on the 4th floor at the time or it was used by someone such as Mr. Williams who may have left his position  just across from Pauline Sanders , BEFORE, Baker has ascended the front steps. Mr.Williams has no statement of seeing a police officer, which seems inconceivable if Me.Williams was literally standing in front of the door.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1502 on: April 04, 2021, 08:11:49 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1503 on: April 07, 2021, 08:21:29 PM »
I would  like to propose a 3rd place that Oswald might have left his jacket:

The 2nd floor storage room adjacent to the conference room which one would have to enter by using the 2nd floor lunchroom.

How do we know that's a storage room?