Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

Question to Mr.Ford about the newly proposed location of Sarah Stanton at the fluffy white shirt person with hand upraised.

Is this person on the opposite (east side of the center hand rail as Billy Lovelady?

East side, yes.

Is this persons hair light tone or dark?

We can't tell, their hair is in shadow.

[Walt Cakebread]

Are you trying to be cute, Mr Cakebread? As already stated multiple times, this crystal clear report of what Mr Oswald claimed in that first interrogation is in Agent Hosty's draft interrogation report. Are you suggesting Agent Hosty hallucinated or fabricated this claim?

You're still missing the point: We now have proof that Mr Oswald himself claimed to have gone to the second floor lunchroom BEFORE the parade. Your attempts to explain away this bombshell information contained in Agent Hosty's draft interrogation report are getting you nowhere.

 We now have proof that Mr Oswald himself claimed to have gone to the second floor lunchroom BEFORE the parade.

Isn't it obvious to you that the second set of notes are NOT contemporaneous ...Hosty didn't jot those notes down during the initial interrogation which stated at about 3:15 pm that afternoon....Open your eyes and LOOK ...

The second set of notes repeats information that had already been recorded in the first set of notes.  The second set of notes says:  "On 11/22 at 3:15 pm LHO was interviewed by Capt W Fritz JWB  & JPH.  Capt Fritz advised O of his rights etc;"

This is repeating the information that he (Hosty)had already recorded at the top of the note which he recorded while sitting in on the first interrogation of Lee Oswald.   Obviously there was no need to record that information a second time if the notes were all recorded at the same time...Thus it should be clear that Hosty recorded the second set of notes at a later time...And that was AFTER Baker had reported that He had encountered Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom AFTER the shots were fired.

If this isn't clear to you there is no point in discussing this issue any further.

[Alan Ford]

We now have proof that Mr Oswald himself claimed to have gone to the second floor lunchroom BEFORE the parade.

Isn't it obvious to you that the second set of notes re NOT contemporaneous ...Hosty didn't jot those notes down during the initial interrogation which stated at about 3:15 pm that afternoon....Open your eyes and LOOK ...

The second set of notes repeats information that had already been recorded in the first set of notes.  The second set of notes says:  "On 11/22 at 3:15 pm LHO was interviewed by Capt W Fritz JWB  & JPH.  Capt Fritz advised O of his rights etc;"

This is repeating the information that he (Hosty)had already recorded at the top of the note which he recorded while sitting in on the first interrogation of Lee Oswald.   Obviously there was no need to record that information a second time if the notes were all recorded at the same time...Thus it should be clear that Hosty recorded the second set of notes at a later time...And that was AFTER Baker had reported that He had encountered Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom AFTER the shots were fired.

If this isn't clear to you there is no point in discussing this issue any further.

Huh? Of course the draft interrogation report was written after that first interrogation-------it's a report, for goodness' sake

As for Agent Hosty's attending a follow-up interrogation in which he hears what Mr Oswald has to say about a Coke that Officer Baker has been reporting, the only world in which any of that happened is the world of your lunchroom-fiction-addled imagination.

[Walt Cakebread]

Huh? Of course the draft interrogation report was written after that first interrogation-------it's a report, for goodness' sake

As for Agent Hosty's attending a follow-up interrogation in which he hears what Mr Oswald has to say about a Coke that Officer Baker has been reporting, the only world in which any of that happened is the world of your lunchroom-fiction-addled imagination.

Mr Ford It's NOT my imagination....Perhaps you should read the reports of Fritz, Hosty and Bookhout in appendix XI of the WR.

Capt Fritz wrote....." Mr Truly had told me that one of the police officers had stopped his man immediately after the shooting somewhere near the back stairway, so I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer stopped him. He said that he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in."   "I asked him what part of the building he was in when the president was shot, and he said that he was having his lunch at about that time on the first floor."

NOTE----  No detective would ask a question that would provide information to a suspect.....Fritz didn't ask Lee where he was when the president was shot....He asked lee, where he was at the time the Parade passed by the TSBD...

FBI Bookhout wrote:  "Oswald stated that on November 22 at the time of the search ( referring to Baker's search) of the Texas School Book Depository by Dallas police officers he was on the second floor of said building having just purchased a Coca-Cola from the soft drink machine at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked if he worked there.Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took his coke down to the first floor and stood around and had his lunch in the employee's lunch room. He there after went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes."

FBI Hosty wrote:....  He claimed that he ate his lunch in the first floor lunchroom. however he went to the second floor lunchroom where the Coca Cola machine was located, and obtained a Coca Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed that he was on the first floor at the time President John F. Kennedy passed this building.

Page 622....Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten his lunch  in the lunchroom at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated that one of the employees was called Junior  (  JuniorJarmen.) and the other was a short individual ( Harold "shorty" Norman) .whose name he could not recall.

It is a fact that Jarman and Norman walked by the windows of the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:25.....And Lee Oswald saw them as he sat there in the Domino Room eating his lunch.   

[Alan Ford]

Mr Ford It's NOT my imagination....Perhaps you should read the reports of Fritz, Hosty and Bookhout in appendix XI of the WR.

Capt Fritz wrote....." Mr Truly had told me that one of the police officers had stopped his man immediately after the shooting somewhere near the back stairway, so I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer stopped him. He said that he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in."   "I asked him what part of the building he was in when the president was shot, and he said that he was having his lunch at about that time on the first floor."

NOTE----  No detective would ask a question that would provide information to a suspect.....Fritz didn't ask Lee where he was when the president was shot....He asked lee, where he was at the time the Parade passed by the TSBD...

FBI Bookhout wrote:  "Oswald stated that on November 22 at the time of the search ( referring to Baker's search) of the Texas School Book Depository by Dallas police officers he was on the second floor of said building having just purchased a Coca-Cola from the soft drink machine at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked if he worked there.Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took his coke down to the first floor and stood around and had his lunch in the employee's lunch room. He there after went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes."

Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

“OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola ‘for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to’ be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed by his building.”

The eyebrows of alert researchers had long been raised by the rather bizarre vagueness of that last bit: "on the first floor". Where on the first floor?? Thankfully, the mystery was lifted when an EVEN EARLIER report was finally unearthed in 2019: Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he bought the Coke on two, then came downstairs for lunch, and then "went outside to watch P. Parade". The part of the first floor that Mr Oswald must have specified was: the front entrance.

This document of course destroys at a stroke the lie that Mr Oswald ever confirmed a post-assassination lunchroom encounter with an officer and Mr Truly. In fact he told them something that was completely at odds with the lunchroom encounter story. And so......... they buried it.

Comparing the evolving story told from one interrogation report to the next, in short, allows us to watch a key part of the cover-up against Mr Oswald take shape. If you weren't so besotted with the long-discredited lunchroom-encounter fiction, you would have no trouble recognizing the explosive import of the Hosty draft interrogation report that came to light in 2019-------and you wouldn't be taking recourse to ludicrously strained LNer-style argumentation in a desperate effort to explain its contents away.

[Walt Cakebread]

Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

“OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola ‘for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to’ be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed by his building.”

The eyebrows of alert researchers had long been raised by the rather bizarre vagueness of that last bit: "on the first floor". Where on the first floor?? Thankfully, the mystery was lifted when an EVEN EARLIER report was finally unearthed in 2019: Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he bought the Coke on two, then came downstairs for lunch, and then "went outside to watch P. Parade". The part of the first floor that Mr Oswald must have specified was: the front entrance.

This document of course destroys at a stroke the lie that Mr Oswald ever confirmed a post-assassination lunchroom encounter with an officer and Mr Truly. In fact he told them something that was completely at odds with the lunchroom encounter story. And so......... they buried it.

Comparing the evolving story told from one interrogation report to the next, in short, allows us to watch a key part of the cover-up against Mr Oswald take shape. If you weren't so besotted with the long-discredited lunchroom-encounter fiction, you would have no trouble recognizing the explosive import of the Hosty draft interrogation report that came to light in 2019-------and you wouldn't be taking recourse to ludicrously strained LNer-style argumentation in a desperate effort to explain its contents away.

Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

I didn't skip over the joint report....I did omit the first part that says that Lee went to lunch at noon....We know that the Domino room was full of employees at noon and nobody reported seeing Lee there at that time.... And Lee himself said that he was eating his lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom when Junior Jarman and Harold Norman passed by as they were on their way to the fifth floor at about 12:25.  So Lee DID NOT go to lunch at 12:00 o'clock.

You are stuck on some fantasy tale that Baker and Truly's encounter in the second floor lunchroom never happened ...Which forces you to ignore the statements of Lee Oswald...Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, James Hosty, James Bookhout Captain Fritz, Junior Jarman, Harold Norman, and Secret Service Inspector Thomas Kelley .... Thomas Kelley's report doesn't shed a lot of light on the matter....BUT.... Kelley did report that Lee said something about seeing a two Negro employees who he recognized as employees and one of them was called "Junior", and the other  was a little short statured Negro boy.     

[Alan Ford]

Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

I didn't skip over the joint report....I did omit the first part that says that lee went to lunch at noon....We know that the Domino room was full of employees at noon and nobody reported seeing Lee there at that time.... And lee himself said that he was eating his lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom when Junior jarman and harold Norman passed by as they were on their way to the fifth floor at about 12:25.  So Lee DID NOT go to lunch at 12:00 o'clock.

You are stuck on some fantasy tale that Baker and Truly's encounter in the second floor lunchroom never happened ...Which forces you to ignore the statements of Lee Oswald...Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, James Hosty, James bookhout Captain Fritz, Junior Jarman, Harold Norman, and Secret Service Inspector Thomas Kelley .... Thomas Kelley's report doesn't shed a lot of light on the matter....BUT.... Kelley did report that Lee said something about seeing a two Negro employees who he recognized as employees and one of them was called "Junior", and the other  was a little short statured Negro boy.     

Lord grant me patience with this one!

1. You did omit the joint report, skipping straight to the Bookhout-only report.

2. Mr Oswald, as we now know from the earliest interrogation report, claimed to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade" AFTER visiting the second floor lunchroom. You are falling for the scam pulled by those who buried his claim because they understood how dangerous it was to the narrative they were constructing against him.

3. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman & Norman AFTER he had a) bought his Coke on the second floor and b) returned to the first floor to eat his lunch. (Messrs Jarman & Norman were re-entering the building by the back door to head upstairs.) Shortly after this, Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade.

Question for you, Mr Cakebread: What do you believe Mr Oswald actually told Captain Fritz re. second-floor lunchroom and his whereabouts when JFK passed the building? Be specific! 

[Walt Cakebread]

Lord grant me patience with this one!

1. You did omit the joint report, skipping straight to the Bookhout-only report.

2. Mr Oswald, as we now know from the earliest interrogation report, claimed to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade" AFTER visiting the second floor lunchroom. You are falling for the scam pulled by those who buried his claim because they understood how dangerous it was to the narrative they were constructing against him.

3. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman & Norman AFTER he had a) bought his Coke on the second floor and b) returned to the first floor to eat his lunch. (Messrs Jarman & Norman were re-entering the building by the back door to head upstairs.) Shortly after this, Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade.

Question for you, Mr Cakebread: What do you believe Mr Oswald actually told Captain Fritz re. second-floor lunchroom and his whereabouts when JFK passed the building? Be specific! 

3. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman & Norman AFTER he had a) bought his Coke on the second floor and b) returned to the first floor to eat his lunch. (Messrs Jarman & Norman were re-entering the building by the back door to head upstairs.) Shortly after this, Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade.



No, that's not correct.....  Jarman and Norman passed by the Domino room at about 12:25 which was a few minutes BEFORE the P. Parade arrived.....AFTER they passed by the Domino room, Lee then went to the Second floor lunchroom and was there when Officer Baker and Roy Truly encountered him there with a coke in his hands.   Lee said that after Baker and Truly departed he returned to the Domino room to finish his lunch before going outside......Perhaps Lee thought the P. Parade was still passing by at that time, But we know that Baker entered the TSBD in search of the culprit who had fired a gun from the roof of the TSBD. and by the time Lee finished his lunch the P. Parade was over.....

What do you believe Mr Oswald actually told Captain Fritz re. second-floor lunchroom and his whereabouts when JFK passed the building?

Lee told Fritz that he had started eating his lunch when he saw Jarman and Norman walk by the windows of the Domino room.  After they boarded the elevator, and departed,  Lee decided that he wanted a Coke to consume with his sandwich so he went to the second floor lunchroom where the coke machine was located.  Lee was probably on the stairs or in the 2nd floor lunchroom at the time the shots were fired, because there is no report of Lee hearing any shots fired.  ( The Fact that Lee never mentioned hearing any gun fire is revealing...and the fact that none of his interrogators asked him if he had heard any gun shots is highly suspicious....   they asked all the other witnesses how many shots they had heard but they never asked Lee if he had heard any shots. ?)

So based on the reports filed....I believe that Lee Told Fritz that he was in the 2nd floor lunchroom with a coke in his hand when officer Baker burst into the room with his side arm in his hand. And I believe that Lee Told Fritz that he returned to the first floor with his coke to finish his lunch and after that he went outside to watch the P.Parade. 

Lee had no idea that shots had been fired and was perplexed at seeing Baker burst into the second floor lunchroom with his gun  in his hand.   Since He was ignorant and in the dark about the events unfolding outside, he simply assumed that the Parade was passing by  and so he went outside to watch.....