Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Martin Weidmann]

Great, you actually do understand what Holmes stated in his testimony. Absolutely ends the speculation about LHO's whereabouts during the assassination. He was descending from the top floors to see about the "commotion", and  obviously pretends he never heard a thing.

Oswald:  , "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."

LHO even trys to change the location of where Baker and Trully encounter him.

Great, you actually do understand what Holmes stated in his testimony. Absolutely ends the speculation about LHO's whereabouts during the assassination.

No it doesn't

He was descending from the top floors to see about the "commotion", and  obviously pretends he never heard a thing.

Down from the top floors? Where does he say that? Seems more like something you want to read into a comment made by a third party.

Oswald:  , "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."

Don't attribute words, some third party used, as verbatim being Oswald's! You have no way of knowing what Oswald really said and which exact words he used.

But if you insist in doing that anyway, you surely also must accept that Oswald was stopped by a police officer "just before I got to the front door"? So, no lunchroom encounter, right?

[Alan Ford]

Great, you actually do understand what Holmes stated in his testimony. Absolutely ends the speculation about LHO's whereabouts during the assassination. He was descending from the top floors to see about the "commotion", and  obviously pretends he never heard a thing.

Oswald:  , "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."

Nope, you goofed and aren't man enough to admit that you haven't the first idea about finding real sources for your claims. Next you'll be quoting a snippet of dialogue from JFK as evidence! 

LHO even trys to change the location of where Baker and Trully encounter him.

Except he hasn't changed a thing-----------from the very first interrogation, he is putting himself at the front entrance for the time of the shooting (and therefore also for Officer Baker's dash into that front entrance, which is what Mr Holmes picked up). Furthermore! The DPD were telling everybody on 11/22 that Mr Oswald encountered a cop and Mr Truly at-------------you guessed it!-------------the front entrance immediately after the shooting.

In short: Mr Oswald's story remained consistent, the 'investigating' authorities' story kept changing. The only changes to Mr Oswald's story were made by said 'investigating' authorities. The coming to light of the Hosty draft report proves that beyond doubt! 

[Alan Ford]

At the moment I don't have anyone credible. But then again, neither do you!
This old dear is more credible than Oswald - note the hairline, the exposed arms, the classic Prayer Man pose and she's on the top step! 



Lovelady lied when he said he never saw Oswald!!

Just a second, Mr O'Meara! Are you actually claiming that the hairline in the image of Mr Oswald I posted is inconsistent with the hairline of Prayer Man? Are you really that blind? Or that desperate to keep Mr Oswald off those steps?

You'll need to post your image of your Prayer Man Alternative Candidate again, by the way, as it's not showing up! 

[John Iacoletti]

Great, you actually do understand what Holmes stated in his testimony. Absolutely ends the speculation about LHO's whereabouts during the assassination. He was descending from the top floors to see about the "commotion", and  obviously pretends he never heard a thing.

When did Holmes say "from the top floors"?

Keep in mind that you are relying on specific details from the man who came up with this gem:

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.  He mentioned something about a coke."

[Alan Ford]

When did Holmes say "from the top floors"?

Keep in mind that you are relying on specific details from the man who came up with this gem:

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.  He mentioned something about a coke."

I hardly need to tell you this, Mr Iacoletti, but you shouldn't expect a coherent response from Mr Nessan.

Mr Holmes got things a little garbled, but he is crystal clear on one thing: Mr Oswald said the encounter with the cop took place at the front entrance, first floor. Which is exactly where the DPD were telling everybody on 11/22 it had happened. Despite never having even been in the Depository, Mr Holmes is able to describe the double doors/vestibule arrangement------because he heard Mr Oswald explain it (probably for the umpteenth time) to Captain Fritz.

The reason Mr Oswald mentioned a coke was that he had one in his hand at the time of the encounter. The reason he mentioned the coke machine on two was that he was explaining where he had gotten the coke from. The reason he mentioned coming downstairs was that he was describing his actions subsequent to his purchase of the coke on two.

The Hosty draft report confirms that this had been Mr Oswald's claim all along.

 

[Alan Ford]

Friends, I invite you to consider the part of Officer Marion Baker's 11/22/63 affidavit which I have underlined-----------------



So! As Officer Baker was entering the front door, he saw several people standing around and spoke to them, asking for directions to the stairs.

Who were these people Officer Baker asked for help? And how on earth could both Mr Frazier and Mr Molina not have seen and heard him at this moment? I mean, they were standing right there by the door!

Answer: Mr Oswald was one of those people. In fact, he was the person Officer Baker focused on (perhaps even grabbing him by the arm with understandable urgency). Accordingly, everyone had to banish the exchange from their memory afterwards. For it gave Mr Oswald his alibi. Thankfully, however, before the need to NOT have seen the exchange had kicked in, Mr Lovelady told Mr Jarman all about it!

 

[Alan Ford]

So! Officer Baker, as he's at the front door of the building, asks a bunch of folks standing there where the stairs are. Officer Baker has this event fresh in his memory as he is giving his affidavit. And yet... nobody else will seem to remember having heard, seen or been co-participants in this event. How peculiar! 

Well, I tell a lie... For Mr Oswald remembered that selfsame event, and backed Officer Baker's story up 100% by telling Captain Fritz all about it. We know this thanks to Postal Inspector Harry D. Holmes' WC testimony.

Now! There's an interesting nuance to the answer Postal Inspector Holmes gives to Mr Belin's question, "By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?":

Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule.
Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule?
Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.

Either in the vestibule (i.e. front lobby) or approaching the door to the vestibule. Hmmm...

This puts the encounter either
................inside---------i.e. in the vestibule, Officer Baker having already gone through the front door
or
................still outside-------------i.e. at the front door leading to the vestibule. (After all, 'approaching the door to the vestibule' can only mean outside: if you're already inside, then the glass door is the door to the front steps, not the door to the vestibule!)

Mr Oswald had indeed "come out to this front part" (in order "to watch P. parade", of course), and it would seem from what Mr Holmes is saying that Mr Oswald put the encounter with the cop at the front door but still outside.

This tallies with the information put out (albeit with an anti-LHO spin) by DPD later that day: he was stopped at the front door as he was trying to leave. This too was Mr Lovelady's (erroneous) impression when he turned around and saw the cop speaking with Mr Oswald--------he hadn't noticed Mr Oswald's presence on the steps at the time of the shooting, and so thought Mr Oswald had only just arrived out front.

Officer Baker's same-day affidavit gives us the true character of the encounter: he wasn't in the least bit suspicious of Mr Oswald, he was merely asking Mr Oswald (A.K.A. Prayer Man, probably) where the nearest stairs were. And then Mr Truly stepped up... and the rest is history (or was history for a few hours before the authorities saw fit to replace the real story with a fictional one about a lunchroom!)...