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If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on July 26, 2020, 09:07:11 PM ---You're missing the point. Dougherty didn't hear the shot then go down to find out what was going on. If we take his testimony at face value it means he heard the shot, then just stood around for about a minute, then went down. Can you explain why he just stood at the elevator for almost a minute?
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This is a good point. It might be that Dougherty turned his back and walked back to the elevator and this is when Oswald ran down the stairs.
This would explain why Dougherty didn't hear Williams, Norman and Jarman running across the 5th floor.
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Gerry Down on July 26, 2020, 05:05:33 PM ---Seems odd. Dougherty heard no one come down the stairs and neither did Adams and Styles. Maybe the stairs weren't as noisy as people claim.
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Maybe nobody came down the stairs.
Joffrey van de Wiel:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on July 26, 2020, 09:07:11 PM ---You're missing the point. Dougherty didn't hear the shot then go down to find out what was going on. If we take his testimony at face value it means he heard the shot, then just stood around for about a minute, then went down. Can you explain why he just stood at the elevator for almost a minute?
Also, your point about Dougherty not hearing BRW, Norman and Jarman doesn't hold up. BRW and co. are on the east side of the 5th floor. According to his testimony Dougherty is stood near the elevators on the west side of the 5th floor. After the hearing the shot Dougherty stands around for almost a minute but during this time BRW, Norman and Jarman run to the west side of the building. Towards Dougherty. Three men running on wooden floorboards towards Dougherty and he doesn't hear them? He doesn't hear or see them and they don't hear or see him for a very simple reason. Dougherty is not on the 5th floor. It would appear he is the man holding the rifle on the 6th floor
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Why would they run to the west side of the building when they heard the shots being fired directly above their heads in the east corner of the fifth floor?
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on July 27, 2020, 01:00:50 AM ---Maybe nobody came down the stairs.
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I was always struck by how fortuitous it was for the assassin(s) that Truly and Baker missed out the 6th floor on their way up the building. Being the cynic I am I came up with this crazy scenario -
Truly's role is to make sure the first police arriving don't go on the 6th floor so he stations himself just outside the front entrance steps. If none arrive for a few minutes, all well and good, no need to worry but Baker shows up in seconds. When Truly introduces himself to Baker he has already decided they are going to the roof (in his testimony he describes it as an almost psychic-like moment when he just knows where Baker needs to go). Truly takes control and leads the way. They get to the elevators and Truly can't call the west one down (or he only pretends to try) and the shouts to whoever is on the upper floors the equivalent of "I'm here with the police boys, It's showtime". Truly races up the stairs with Baker trailing behind.
Even though they are racing towards a shooter, civilian Truly leads the way, in front of a policeman with a drawn revolver. He has to lead the way because he has to control the situation but almost loses that control as Baker goes "off piste" on the second floor. Truly deals with that then gets them back on track. As they are on their way up the west elevator moves from the 5th to the 6th floor. On the 5th floor Truly leads Baker to the east elevator which they both jump in. On the way up to the roof they pass the elevator with the assassin(s) in.
Once they are on the roof the east elevator makes it's way down to the first floor, Dougherty drops off whatever or whoever he has to drop off, then returns to the fifth floor.
The only people on the stairs, in order:
Adams and Styles race down to see what's going on
Truly and Baker race up to the roof
BRW, Norman and Jarman head down to first as no elevator is available.
It's great to let the imagination run wild.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Joffrey van de Wiel on July 27, 2020, 10:36:32 AM ---Why would they run to the west side of the building when they heard the shots being fired directly above their heads in the east corner of the fifth floor?
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It is very quickly established that someone is shooting at the President of the United States and that person is on the floor directly above them. Why aren't BRW and co. shouting from the windows "He's up here"? Why don't they run straight downstairs and tell everyone they meet about the shooter on the 6th? But here's the kicker - why don't they tell Baker about it? A policeman on his way up towards the 6th and they don't even warn him!
It's almost as if they're hiding in the corner until the coast is clear and they can make their way down unnoticed.
It is noticeable when giving his WC testimony, Williams is not even asked why he didn't warn Baker.
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