If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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I am sorry Martin that the whole Adams- Styles timeline thing didn't work out for you. Damn that Adams, Styles, and Harkness for ruining that for you.

I have a new for you to work on while I am gone. I did not know Harkness also pantsed Rowland about a second person in the SN. One other person showing Rowland just made up the story.

Mr. BELIN - Did you actually talk to any other person whose name you recorded in your little book there?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir; Arnold Rowland.
Mr. BELIN - Arnold Rowland?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did he say?
Mr. HARKNESS - He said that he saw a man on one of those floors. He didn't clearly identify it, as he saw a man with a high-powered rifle walking around up there.
Mr. BELIN - Did he say anything else that you could have recorded there?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Anything else you remember?
Mr. HARKNESS - Except his address. I have his address as 3026 Hammerly.
Mr. BELIN - Did he say anything else?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.

I am sorry Martin that the whole Adams- Styles timeline thing didn't work out for you. Damn that Adams, Styles, and Harkness for ruining that for you.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Except for outright denial and dishonest misrepresentation of the evidence, you've absolutely nothing to offer to challenge or debate the time line I have provided.

You haven't even got the guts to tell me what you think is wrong with the time line. Truly pathetic and the best confirmation for me that you know I am right! You must be really scared to find out the truth...

Run Jack run.....
« Last Edit: July 04, 2020, 07:56:33 PM by Martin Weidmann »

Online Gerry Down

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Mark Lane not being interested in Vicky Adams' story says it all.

Plus her "sighting of Ruby" at the front of the TSBD did not help her cause.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Your inability to provide an alternative timeline says it all.

And what is that Jack Ruby thing all about? She sees a man who seems to be a reporter on the corner of Houston and Elm and she sees him again on TV that night. The same night Jack Ruby is caught on camera pretending to be a reporter at the Henry Wade press conference.

I wish there was something simple in this whole mess.

Offline Dan O'meara

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...where Adams heard the radio call and then walked down Houston street to the loading dock where she re-entered the TSBD prior to the building being sealed off by Sgt Harkness at around 12.36 or 12.37?

Adams didn't walk down to the Houston St. dock:

Mr. BELIN - Now at this time when you went back into the building, were there any policemen standing in front of the building keeping people out?
Miss ADAMS - There was an officer on the stairs itself, and he was prohibiting people from entering the building, that is correct. But I told him I worked there.
Mr. BELIN - Did he let you come back in?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do ?
Miss ADAMS - Following that, I pushed the button for the passenger elevator, but the power had been cut off on the elevator, so I took the stairs to the second floor.

It is obvious from this excerpt she re-enters the building through the front. There is one curious aspect about this part of her testimony that might relate to the route the assassin used to after the shooting - she says 'the power had been cut off on the elevator'. Adams worked on the 4th floor and every day she was at work she would have used this elevator at least twice. She would be extremely familiar with this particular piece of equipment, with how it operated normally.
In his affidavit taken on the day of the assassination Bill Shelley states that after the shots he ran into Gloria Calvery then "went back to the building and went inside and called my wife and told her what happened. I was on the first floor then and I stayed at the elevator and was told not to let anyone out of the elevator. I left the elevator and went with the police on up to the other floors I left Jack Dougherty in charge of the elevator"
I'm assuming the use of the word elevator (singular) refers to the passenger elevator by the front door. He uses the same singular expression in his WC testimony. If this is the case it would mean Adams never encountered Shelley on the first floor at any time in the aftermath of the shooting.





Offline John Iacoletti

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I have a new for you to work on while I am gone. I did not know Harkness also pantsed Rowland about a second person in the SN. One other person showing Rowland just made up the story.

Mr. BELIN - Did you actually talk to any other person whose name you recorded in your little book there?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir; Arnold Rowland.
Mr. BELIN - Arnold Rowland?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did he say?
Mr. HARKNESS - He said that he saw a man on one of those floors. He didn't clearly identify it, as he saw a man with a high-powered rifle walking around up there.
Mr. BELIN - Did he say anything else that you could have recorded there?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Anything else you remember?
Mr. HARKNESS - Except his address. I have his address as 3026 Hammerly.
Mr. BELIN - Did he say anything else?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.

How exactly does that “show Rowland just made up the story”?

Way to change the subject, by the way.

Offline John Iacoletti

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I haven't seen her FBI 302 statement, but I don't believe for a second that Sandra Styles told the FBI what you have written in brackets. Why don't you show us the 302 for that interview?


Offline Dan O'meara

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Brilliant stuff John, as a newbie I wouldn't even know where to begin to get something like this.
Seems to corroborate Adams' account - left almost straight away, the encounter with the policeman then round to the front. It seems she didn't hang outside to chat but what I do find weird is that she had no problem with the elevator. It's probably nothing but, equally, it might be something.