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If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?
Dan O'meara:
When the "reasonably intelligent" LHO was confronted by police seconds after the shooting and found to be calmly sipping a coke on the second floor he would have recognised, as "most criminals" would, what a godsend that was, the next best thing to a solid alibi. "Most criminals" would instantly realise the way to play it is to hang around and tell everyone he'd been seen on the second floor seconds after the shooting by his boss and the police. Instead he chooses to slip out without telling anyone knowing it would make him the prime suspect. If LHO was the sole assassin he deliberately spurned his golden opportunity of an 'alibi' and chose to incriminate himself. He also chose to incriminate himself by carrying in his wallet false ID that linked him to the murder weapon, something "most criminals" and "reasonably intelligent" would definitely not do. Think about that. He knew he'd have to leave the weapon behind so he carried false ID on him linking him to the weapon.
Lastly, if LHO was the lone sniper he would've took the shot with the limo coming towards him down Houston Street. Put yourself in his position, a clear head shot as the target moves slowly towards you or a shot through the trees as he moves away? If you are "reasonably intelligent" the answer is unavoidable.
Thomas Graves:
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--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 14, 2020, 03:20:09 PM ---When the "reasonably intelligent" LHO was confronted by police seconds after the shooting and found to be calmly sipping a coke on the second floor he would have recognised, as "most criminals" would, what a godsend that was, the next best thing to a solid alibi. "Most criminals" would instantly realise the way to play it is to hang around and tell everyone he'd been seen on the second floor seconds after the shooting by his boss and the police. Instead he chooses to slip out without telling anyone knowing it would make him the prime suspect. If LHO was the sole assassin he deliberately spurned his golden opportunity of an 'alibi' and chose to incriminate himself. He also chose to incriminate himself by carrying in his wallet false ID that linked him to the murder weapon, something "most criminals" and "reasonably intelligent" would definitely not do. Think about that. He knew he'd have to leave the weapon behind so he carried false ID on him linking him to the weapon.
Lastly, if LHO was the lone sniper he would've took the shot with the limo coming towards him down Houston Street. Put yourself in his position, a clear head shot as the target moves slowly towards you or a shot through the trees as he moves away? If you are "reasonably intelligent" the answer is unavoidable.
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Dear Dan,
*would've taken
Regardless, why would he make himself relatively easy for the Secret Service, the police and the spectators to spot as the objects of their attention -- JFK and Jackie -- were moving towards him?
Why would he increase his risk being shot while he, himself, was in the action of shooting?
-- MWT ;)
Dan O'meara:
Dear Tom,
I take it as a compliment that the only thing you question about most of the points I make is some dodgy grammar.
The reason for taking the shot on Houston is that it's a far easier shot (you surely agree with this) and if the first one misses there's nowhere for the limo to go. All eyes are on JFK and Jackie apart from those of the Secret Service. If LHO takes aim at the last minute and is set slightly back there is nothing anyone can do before he starts getting shots off. Waiting until they turn on to Elm makes the shot a lot more difficult for a lone assassin. To imagine he is worried about being shot while shooting doesn't make any sense, he must surely have assumed he wasn't getting out of there in one piece once the shooting started. His main concern would've been a clean, easy shot. The one on Houston St.
Waiting for the car to turn onto Elm St. before shooting makes far more sense for the Multi-Assassin scenario.
Why do you think he ran when he had an 'alibi' and would be totally condemning himself?
Thomas Graves:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 14, 2020, 08:56:41 PM ---Dear Tom,
I take it as a compliment that the only thing you question about most of the points I make is some dodgy grammar.
The reason for taking the shot on Houston is that it's a far easier shot (you surely agree with this) and if the first one misses there's nowhere for the limo to go. All eyes are on JFK and Jackie apart from those of the Secret Service. If LHO takes aim at the last minute and is set slightly back there is nothing anyone can do before he starts getting shots off. Waiting until they turn on to Elm makes the shot a lot more difficult for a lone assassin. To imagine he is worried about being shot while shooting doesn't make any sense, he must surely have assumed he wasn't getting out of there in one piece once the shooting started. His main concern would've been a clean, easy shot. The one on Houston St.
Waiting for the car to turn onto Elm St. before shooting makes far more sense for the Multi-Assassin scenario.
Why do you think he ran when he had an 'alibi' and would be totally condemning himself?
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Dear Dan,
Take my critique of your theory as a compliment if you want to.
LOL
I think you will agree with me, though, that unless you're willing to stand in a bent-over, exposed position with a carbine in your hands for several seconds in front of that window, that it would take you a couple of seconds at least to come from out of the shadows and get set up position-wise for a shot from there, whether the limo is coming down Houston towards you or starting to go down Elm away from you, yes?
When we look at the enlarged and enhanced Robert Hughes film, we can see the assassin making his move to get into shooting position as the limo is beginning to negotiate the "hairpin" turn, i.e., when the heavily-armed Secret Service men in the Queen Mary follow-up car would have been unlikely to notice his quick movement up there in that window, thereby ensuring himself a safe (i.e., relatively unobserved) shooting position at a close target, and a couple more shots farther down Elm Street, if necessary.
-- MWT ;)
Dan O'meara:
Dear Tom,
It was the avoidance of any sort of critique I was taking as a compliment ;)
If LHO was the Lone Assassin he would have taken the shot on Houston for two reasons:
1) A shot taken as the limo is approaching the turn onto Elm is an almost guaranteed head shot for anyone familiar with a rifle.
2) It requires a different position in the snipers nest. The shot up Elm requires the shooter to force himself into a corner and have the rifle out of the window. A shot on Houston could be taken from further inside the building. The shooter has plenty of space behind him to move into. No need to be at the window and, therefore, no chance of being spotted before you take the single, easy head shot.
I'm sure you'll agree a shot onto Houston from within the building would have been a snipers choice of shot.
I'll try one last time - why do you think Oswald ran when he had an 'alibi' and knew he would be making himself a prime suspect?
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