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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Why Did Oswald Kill JFK?
« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2020, 06:43:49 PM »
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That would largely be my understanding, Oswaldovitch saw this as a way to contribute to the Revolution and he wanted Gus Hall as his lawyer?
He wanted John Abt not Gus Hall. Abt was a defense lawyer who had represented many Marxists accused of violating American laws.

Abt was an important member of the CPUSA, although he denied being a member at that time; and there's no evidence that I've seen that Oswald knew about his membership. Abt was also a key member in the late 1930s and 1940s of the so-called "Ware Group", a group of spies (some of them) for the Soviets. This was a major group working on behalf of Moscow. It was made famous by the claims made by Whittaker Chambers about Alger Hiss (among other things).

It's funny, though, that I think if Oswald knew that Abt was a member of the CPUSA he, Oswald, may not have wanted him to represent him. Oswald was very critical of the CPUSA - he wrote that it had betrayed Marxism for its slavish support for Moscow.  So he may have viewed Abt more critically than he did.

Oswald was adamant about wanting Abt. Until he found out whether Abt would represent him, he didn't want anyone else. This is what Lou Nichols, the head of the Dallas Bar Association at the time, said Oswald told him. These claims that Oswald was denied a lawyer are simply false. He didn't WANT one until it was determined whether Abt would or could represent him. Turning away a lawyer who said he wanted to meet Oswald is NOT denying Oswald a lawyer since there is no evidence that Oswald wanted anyone other than Abt. Not at that time.

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Why Did Oswald Kill JFK?
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2020, 02:33:18 AM »
He wanted John Abt not Gus Hall. Abt was a defense lawyer who had represented many Marxists accused of violating American laws.

Abt was an important member of the CPUSA although he denied it at the time and there's no evidence that I've seen that Oswald knew about his membership. Abt was also a key member in the late 1930s and 1940s of the so-called "Ware Group", a group of spies (some of them) for the Soviets. This was a major group working on behalf of Moscow. It was made famous for the claims made by Whittaker Chambers about Alger Hiss (among other things).

It's funny, though, that I think if Oswald knew that Abt was a member of the CPUSA he, Oswald, may not have wanted him to represent him. Oswald was very critical of the CPUSA - he wrote that it had betrayed Marxism for its slavish support for Moscow.  So he may have viewed Abt more critically than he did.

Oswald was adamant about wanting Abt. Until he found out whether Abt would represent him, he didn't want anyone else. This is what Lou Nichols, the head of the Dallas Bar Association at the time, said Oswald told him. These claims that Oswald was denied a lawyer are simply false. He didn't WANT one until it was determined whether Abt would or could represent him. Turning away a lawyer who said he wanted to meet Oswald is NOT denying Oswald a lawyer since there is no evidence that Oswald wanted anyone other than Abt. Not at that time.

There are some parallel aspects to what happened to one of LHO’s heroes:

“August 30, 1918 Lenin visiting a factory outside Moscow. Fanta Kaplan, a woman who was working with a banned terrorist group, was standing in the crowd. She fired 3 shots directly at Lenin. Two bullets entered his body. One pierced his lung. The other one lodged in his neck. Taken back to the Kremlin, he appeared to be on the verge of death. His paranoia continued, he refused all medical treatment until a Bolshevik doctor could be found.”

And then (of course) there is this:

“But there is still doubt about who actually shot Lenin. Kaplan was near blind, she had never had any experience with firearms and it was near dark when the shooting happened. Despite signing a confession, many historians doubt she pulled the trigger.”


Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Why Did Oswald Kill JFK?
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2020, 02:52:30 AM »
There are some parallel aspects to what happened to one of LHO’s heroes:

“August 30, 1918 Lenin visiting a factory outside Moscow. Fanta Kaplan, a woman who was working with a banned terrorist group, was standing in the crowd. She fired 3 shots directly at Lenin. Two bullets entered his body. One pierced his lung. The other one lodged in his neck. Taken back to the Kremlin, he appeared to be on the verge of death. His paranoia continued, he refused all medical treatment until a Bolshevik doctor could be found.”

And then (of course) there is this:

“But there is still doubt about who actually shot Lenin. Kaplan was near blind, she had never had any experience with firearms and it was near dark when the shooting happened. Despite signing a confession, many historians doubt she pulled the trigger.”

1) So Oswald wasn't so "lucky," after all. Just unlucky as all get-out that his first shot (about 1 second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133) grazed the "mast arm" of the traffic signal.

2) If it was Ms Kaplan, she sure had the right idea.

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Re: Why Did Oswald Kill JFK?
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2020, 11:38:37 AM »
1) So Oswald wasn't so "lucky," after all. Just unlucky as all get-out that his first shot (about 1 second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133) grazed the "mast arm" of the traffic signal.

2) If it was Ms Kaplan, she sure had the right idea.

--  MWT  ;)

In my opinion, LHO’s first shot was inadvertent due to either the rifle unexpectedly hitting the top Rolling Reader box, or his left arm hitting the conduit, (as he was tracking the moving target). And it hit the pavement near the back of the limousine.
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« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2020, 12:35:18 PM »
In my opinion, LHO’s first shot was inadvertent due to either the rifle unexpectedly hitting the top Rolling Reader box, or his left arm hitting the conduit, (as he was tracking the moving target). And it hit the pavement near the back of the limousine.

really? - I think he had a hole in one of his socks.

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« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2020, 01:33:43 PM »
really? - I think he had a hole in one of his socks.


This thread shows some of the research, by several different people, behind this theory. How did you research your hole in the sock theory???   ::)

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2090.0.html
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Re: Why Did Oswald Kill JFK?
« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2020, 03:27:01 PM »
1. Going bald
2. Marriage falling apart
3. Stuck in a low-paying, dead-end job
4. Hated America and its institutions
5. Was a nobody who wanted to be a somebody
6. Supported Castro and the Cuban revolution
7. The guy who stared down Castro and the USSR was coming to town

5. "Everybody will know me now" -LHO

EDIT: May 28 3:46 EST
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« Reply #71 on: May 27, 2020, 04:00:17 PM »

This thread shows some of the research, by several different people, behind this theory. How did you research your hole in the sock theory???   ::)

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2090.0.html

At least one shot he has to stand.
is that the first one - at about what z150ties?
the bullet hit behind the car - just after the turn?
densest part of the plaza. Is he shooting straight down?
How wide open is the window?

...and the gun jammed.

but wait
Willis heard a shot when he snapped his picture.
Betzner heard a shot as he wound his camera
Altgens heard a shot when he snapped his picture.

only some shots can be the same - A6 shows the men already hit
Willis said he heard a shot as he snapped W5
Car is just passed the window in the 150ties and LHO missed completely and nobody saw it?

and you said it was because of a box or a pipe?
...like a cartoon, you draw it any way you need to make it fit
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