The Smell of Gunpowder and the Smell of Bigfoot

[Robert Reeves]

No, I don’t believe the Wiegman frames show smoke. I think people see the things they want to see, like smoke.

Excuse me? do you not see the alleged smoke in the photo? I have added alleged because even I am not convinced. But I could see why some might add this photo to the statements of witnesses that saw a puff of smoke lingering by the picket fence and conclude this is strong evidence of a shooter from that position. 

[Joe Elliott]

Excuse me? do you not see the alleged smoke in the photo? I have added alleged because even I am not convinced. But I could see why some might add this photo to the statements of witnesses that saw a puff of smoke lingering by the picket fence and conclude this is strong evidence of a shooter from that position.

Again, you dodge my question about the smell of gun smoke. Are witnesses smelling bigfoot and gun smoke a reliable indicator of bigfoots and gun smoke? You dodge the question.

I see patches of light and darkness. But I do not see gun smoke.


When were these Wiegman frames with the smoke taken?

Were they taken before z313? Within a second after z313? Five seconds after z313? If they were taken too late, several seconds after z313, I cannot consider them to be gunshots. Were shots being fired after the JFK limousine had already left Dealey Plaza?

Do not dodge this question. What is a good estimate of when these frames were taken? They look like they were taken like 10 seconds or more after z313.

And again, don’t continue to dodge my original questions. Are witnesses smelling bigfoot and gun smoke a reliable indicator of bigfoots and gun smoke?

[Charles Collins]

Witness accounts are not the most reliable form of evidence. So the answer to your question has to be no. That being said, I believe that it is possible that some witnesses did actually smell gunpowder. Mrs. Earle Cabell said that she looked up and saw the rifle immediately after the first shot. And smelled gunpowder shortly thereafter. Also, Rufus Youngblood said that he smelled gunpowder. Both of these witnesses were in the motorcade and very close to the front of the TSBD when the shots were fired. The wind tends to swirl when it hits the tall buildings. It is reasonable to believe that at least a portion of the wind hitting the front of the TSBD would be directed downward towards the motorcade participants and could have carried the gunpowder aroma from the muzzle of the rifle with it.

[Martin Weidmann]

You keep dodging my questions. But even though you have changed the subject of this thread, I will answer yours.

No, I don’t believe the Wiegman frames show smoke. I think people see the things they want to see, like smoke.

Can you show me a picture of a modern rifle producing smoke from one shot? Even in a 10 to 15 mph breeze. Or are the Dealey Plaza pictures the only pictures where this phenomenon can be observed.

I think people see the things they want to see

Like there being no smoke..... What makes your opinion better than somebody else's?

[Joe Elliott]

Witness accounts are not the most reliable form of evidence. So the answer to your question has to be no. That being said, I believe that it is possible that some witnesses did actually smell gunpowder. Mrs. Earle Cabell said that she looked up and saw the rifle immediately after the first shot. And smelled gunpowder shortly thereafter. Also, Rufus Youngblood said that he smelled gunpowder. Both of these witnesses were in the motorcade and very close to the front of the TSBD when the shots were fired. The wind tends to swirl when it hits the tall buildings. It is reasonable to believe that at least a portion of the wind hitting the front of the TSBD would be directed downward towards the motorcade participants and could have carried the gunpowder aroma from the muzzle of the rifle with it.

And I think it would take a Louisiana blood hound to smell this from a couple hundred feet away.

[Joe Elliott]

I think people see the things they want to see

Like there being no smoke..... What makes your opinion better than somebody else's?

How many seconds after z312 was the Wiegman frames in question taken? 10 seconds? 30 seconds?

I don’t think they show gun smoke. I think you would have seen similar play of light and shadow on leaves or whatever 10 minutes before or 10 minutes after the assassination.

The timing of the Wiegman film makes me confidence that it is other people who are seeing what they want to see in those frames, not me.

[Charles Collins]

And I think it would take a Louisiana blood hound to smell this from a couple hundred feet away.

Going by memory, it’s only about 63 feet from the sidewalk to the sixth floor southeast window sill. And the rifle uses a gunpowder charge that is proportionately higher than most rifles of a similar caliber. Which tends to create more than the average amount of spent gunpowder discharge. Also, there were three shots reported to have been fired in a relatively short time frame. So, I respectfully disagree.