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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2020, 08:58:19 AM »
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Oswald was a Marine marksman / sharpshooter who had shot at targets as far away as 500 yards and scored well in all the shooting positions except "standing," he had about five seconds between shots while using a firearm that required only 2.3 seconds, and he could have either visually compensated for the scope's being slightly off, or he could have used the carbine's iron sights.

https://www.kold.com/story/24047123/tucson-man-shares-vivid-memories-of-jfk-assassin-lee-harvey-oswald/

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And so Mr Graves attempts to hijack yet another thread with off-topic baiting...

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2020, 09:01:46 AM »
   You need to slow it up. Those are HOSTY'S NOTES. They are NOT Oswald's Notes. Mr Oswald is "contending" Nothing.

Nonsense, Mr Storing!

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Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he went outside to watch the P. parade, and his claim was buried. Not complicated!  Thumb1:
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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2020, 01:28:38 AM »
If you'd watched "The Lost Bullet" and "Cold Case: JFK" you'd realize that the first shot probably hit the arm of the traffic light, the concrete by the manhole cover, and the curb by  James Tague. 

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PS  Go sucka,  yourself.

   You are talking about a Real bullet right? Sounds more like "The Fast and the  Furious" CGI  BS: These are the lengths you guys have to go to in order to make 3 shots fired work. Same goes for standing JFK on his head in order to have a Downward fired bullet striking him in the back end up exiting his Throat. More Only seen in movies CGI  BS:
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2020, 02:56:07 PM »
Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he went outside to watch the P. parade, and his claim was buried. Not complicated!  Thumb1:

Meanwhile, of course, Officer Baker was being pressurized into changing his true recollection of encountering a man in a brown jacket walking away from the stairway on the third or fourth floor-------



--------into a fake recollection of encountering Mr Oswald in the second floor lunchroom.

NB: The written record shows that Officer Baker took quite a bit of persuading before he lent his support to this sick, alibi-eliminating hoax!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2020, 03:42:05 PM »
  Just because the 2nd Floor Oswald Lunchroom Encounter may Not have happened, does Not substantiate the Theory of Oswald being on the Landing. If this were the case, anyone could place Oswald almost anywhere other than inside the snipers nest when the JFK Motorcade traveled down Elm St. I find it more interesting that Hosty claimed he destroyed his Notes vs these same alleged hand written notes turning up inside the National Archives on the backside of a DPD Affidavit form. That begs legit inquiry. Basing Anything on the word of Oswald is fraught with pitfalls.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2020, 08:36:00 PM »
  Just because the 2nd Floor Oswald Lunchroom Encounter may Not have happened, does Not substantiate the Theory of Oswald being on the Landing. If this were the case, anyone could place Oswald almost anywhere other than inside the snipers nest when the JFK Motorcade traveled down Elm St. I find it more interesting that Hosty claimed he destroyed his Notes vs these same alleged hand written notes turning up inside the National Archives on the backside of a DPD Affidavit form. That begs legit inquiry. Basing Anything on the word of Oswald is fraught with pitfalls.

Weak argumentation from you here, Mr Storing. I'm afraid your irrational devotion to keeping Mr Oswald off those front steps is showing again!

Claiming that Mr Oswald was out front trumps all other CT claims for the simple double reason that it

a)--------------------was Mr Oswald's own claim (which he would hardly have made unless he was confident he'd be backed up by at least one other Depository employee)
b)--------------------was provably suppressed by Captain Fritz & Company (which they would hardly have done had they thought it was an easy-to-refute lie).

All competing CT claims about Mr Oswald's whereabouts at 12.30pm are arbitrary by comparison. If you disagree, go ahead and suggest one-----------we'll see how it stands up!

And! You are still missing the point that the Hosty notes (nothing 'alleged' about them BTW) don't just give us Mr Oswald's claimed whereabouts at the time of the shooting, they also prove that he never confirmed the lunchroom incident------------and that Captain Fritz & Company felt the need to lie about this. Again: can you suggest a cogent alternative explanation as to why they would do this?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2020, 01:21:31 AM »
Weak argumentation from you here, Mr Storing. I'm afraid your irrational devotion to keeping Mr Oswald off those front steps is showing again!

Claiming that Mr Oswald was out front trumps all other CT claims for the simple double reason that it

a)--------------------was Mr Oswald's own claim (which he would hardly have made unless he was confident he'd be backed up by at least one other Depository employee)
b)--------------------was provably suppressed by Captain Fritz & Company (which they would hardly have done had they thought it was an easy-to-refute lie).

All competing CT claims about Mr Oswald's whereabouts at 12.30pm are arbitrary by comparison. If you disagree, go ahead and suggest one-----------we'll see how it stands up!

And! You are still missing the point that the Hosty notes (nothing 'alleged' about them BTW) don't just give us Mr Oswald's claimed whereabouts at the time of the shooting, they also prove that he never confirmed the lunchroom incident------------and that Captain Fritz & Company felt the need to lie about this. Again: can you suggest a cogent alternative explanation as to why they would do this?

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  This is Not, "Oswald's claim". It is HOSTY's CLAIM that Oswald said this. There were Many people in the room when this was allegedly said. Any corroboration?

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2020, 08:58:36 AM »
  This is Not, "Oswald's claim". It is HOSTY's CLAIM that Oswald said this. There were Many people in the room when this was allegedly said. Any corroboration?

Did those who perpetrated the cover-up confirm to the world that they had perpetrated a cover-up? Uh, no, Mr Storing, they did not. If you think this is an argument against there having been a cover-up, then you don't understand what the term cover-up means.

However! The weird morphing of the Hosty/Bookhout story from one interrogation report to the next confirms beyond any doubt that this is indeed what Mr Oswald claimed. If you can find any holes in my analysis of that phase of the thing, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you're just feebly doubling down on your irrational resistance to the perfectly reasonable idea that Mr Oswald did indeed go outside to watch the P. parade. (Out of interest, where do you think he was at the time of the shooting?)

Furthermore! The pre-motorcade sightings of Mr Oswald in the second floor lunchroom (by, at a conservative tally, Ms Carolyn Arnold and Mr Jack Dougherty)... the crass inconsistencies in the evolving lunchroom story... the unrefuted (because irrefutable) evidence that the Wiegman film was altered to hide something in the relevant area of the front entrance... the extreme nervousness which the Altgens photograph caused the FBI... and the presence of three men in that area where only two (Messrs. Shelley and Lovelady) are supposed to be there... tell us that Mr Oswald's claimed whereabouts offer the only solution left standing after five-and-a-half decades.

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