This is how the rifle was gotten into the building

[Thomas Graves]

Point out where you just said something clever

You boys are having quite the wee-weein' contest!

--  MWT 

[Jack Trojan]

Jack,

Struck the first vertebra, or brushed the tip of it, kinda?

It smashed a hole thru the Transverse Process of the T1 vertebrae and nicked the rib facet. An inch to the left and JFK is dead with that shot.



If the MB went in a straight line path thru JFK via the back wound to the throat, then it had to go thru the spinal column. Also JFK had to be turned in his seat 8 degrees to the right for the trajectory from the SN to work.



But there is no trajectory from the SN into JFK's back at T1 and out his throat at C7 unless JFK is stooped over with his head between his legs. BTW have you done the 2 laser challenge yet? It will convince you that the MB was truly magical.

Where, for that matter, is a reenactment of a bullet's traveling, subcutaneously, completely around a man's skull without killing him? Would you care to volunteer?

No thanks, I'm already convinced that a FMJ bullet does not explode into tiny pieces when it enters the skull. Where is the anecdotal evidence from war vets re this? The headshot explosion was from a frangible bullet which was 1 of the near-simultaneous shots taken at the Turkey Shoot Point, where Greer almost stopped the limo. At that point several shots sounded like 1 so they could claim the headshot was a single bullet shot from the SN.

Okay then, how about our defining  "pristine" to mean the condition of a bullet after it's lost "oodles and gobs" of mass inside the barrel of a "four lands and grooves" carbine whilst being shot about half-a-mile(?) up into the sky, and coming back down and landing in a thick fluffy bed of prime goose down?

Is CE-399  anything like that?

Into a swimming pool. Then get Fredo to jump in and retrieve it. It will slightly flatten if it hits the bottom with any speed and will be clean of any DNA. Just like CE-399.

Ps. Are you sure that's mud your rasslin in? 

[Thomas Graves]

Horseshit.

What about when it struck the T1 vertebrae?


Pristine refers to loss of material, not a slight deformation. No bullet comes out of a barrel "Pristine", as you define it. BTW, did anyone bother to note how much material gets lost as the bullet travels thru the barrel? And where is a single re-enactment of a FMJ bullet striking 3 bones, causing 7 wounds then magically showing up slightly flattened and pristine (99% intact), with no DNA on it? That's the only study that could convince me.

Why do you keep clutching at straws and bending over backward to defend the WC? Oh right, because you sold your soul long ago to the LN hypothesis and you are seeing it thru come hell or high water. Good luck with that. Every coup needs rubes to pull it off. As long as there is not a 100% consensus that Oswald was a patsy, then the WC wins. They won because LNers jumped thru hoops to defend their Report for them. They relied on all CTs to be painted as tinfoil mad hatters and discredited their conspiracy theories by lumping them in with bigfoot sightings and UFO abductions. Today, the LNer approach is to clutch at straws to explain every single contradiction and anomaly re this case, because it's 1 strike and you're out for a LNer. If there is 1 chink in the armor then it is all over, Oswald was not a lone nut and the WC loses.

Maybe Oswald knew he was the designated patsy. Maybe he smuggled the rifle into the TSBD in pieces inside a paper bag. Maybe he took some shots from the SN and wiped off all his prints, ditched the rifle, bought a coke from a vending machine in the lunchroom within 90 secs. Maybe the MC wasn't leaky enough to deposit any nitrates on Oswald's face as he took the shots. Maybe Oswald was such an elite sharpshooter he could pull off a headshot using a crap rifle with a wonky scope and no practice. Maybe the magic bullet did zig-zag thru JFK and Connally and showed up on the wrong stretcher in near-pristine condition. Maybe the DPD were just incompetent and not nefarious when it came to handling the evidence and serving up Oswald to Ruby. But what part of those "maybe"s exclude Oswald from being a pasty? You are not really a LNer, you are a WC Defender, because Oswald was a patsy, not a lone nut.

Smashed a hole in the transverse process?

Well gosh, maybe that's how CE-399 got that little nick on its nose.

Zig-zagged through Kennedy and Connally?

LOL!

Due to the fact that JFK's head was tilted slightly downward -- and the bullet therefore went slightly downward towards Connally (but ... gasp ... slightly upward anatomically-speaking in JFK), the fact that JFK was about 20° lower than the sniper's nest, and the fact that Connally was 1) sitting 6 to 8 inches to the left of JFK (and lower than him, too), and 2) turning to his right, CE-399 didn't have to zig-zag at all to do all the damage that it did.

Nor, given the fact that JBC was hit when his lapel fluttered, did CE-399 have to hover "magically" for 1.6 seconds (or whatever) in midair between the two men.

D'oh

--  MWT 

[Jack Trojan]

Smashed a hole in the transverse process?

Well gosh, maybe that's how CE-399 got that little nick on its nose.

Zig-zagged through Kennedy and Connally?

LOL!

Due to the fact that JFK's head was tilted slightly downward -- and the bullet therefore went slightly downward towards Connally (but ... gasp ... slightly upward anatomically-speaking in JFK), the fact that JFK was about 20° lower than the sniper's nest, and the fact that Connally was 1) sitting 6 to 8 inches to the left of JFK (and lower than him, too), and 2) turning to his right, CE-399 didn't have to zig-zag at all to do all the damage that it did.

Nor, given the fact that JBC was hit when his lapel fluttered, did CE-399 have to hover "magically" for 1.6 seconds (or whatever) in midair between the two men.

D'oh

--  MWT 

Did you even look at my post? Or did you not comprehend it? You are obviously out of your element here. D'oh!

Ps. Do my 2 laser challenge and get back to me with some crow, which I will gladly devour. D'oh!

[Thomas Graves]

I'm already convinced that a FMJ bullet does not explode into tiny pieces when it enters the skull.

In JFK's case, it was into two large fragments, mostly, wasn't it?

--  MWT 

[Jack Trojan]

In JFK's case, it was into two large fragments, mostly, wasn't it?

--  MWT 

Do those 2 fragments = the whole bullet? And where did those 2 horseshit fragments come from? (rhetorical)

[Thomas Graves]

Do those 2 fragments = the whole bullet? And where did those 2 horseshit fragments come from? (rhetorical)

No, of course not.

The lead core probably broke up and went hither and yon, perhaps even causing "the hole in the windshield" and "the dent in the chrome".

--  MWT