No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2020, 08:08:16 PM »
This is one of the main problems in your "logic". You relate everything back to the events that actually happened, ...
And the main problem in your "logic" relates back to events that didn't happen.

I think you guys got that backwards. = things that didn't happen. What didn't happen was [for all we know] some other guy had been made the patsy...with some other weapon linked to to a series of evidence and perhaps was gunned down at the airport trying to escape...just for example. Frazier stated that he got the job through an [employment office] Oswald had a work search going from the Texas Employment Commission who has basically the same listings and there was an opening at the TSBD [?] Why was he not given the tip to go in and apply from them? Frazier had only been hired in September filling orders just like Oswald. Also as I understand ...Oswald had a chance to get a higher paying job at other various locations...but he was steered into this one by Ruth Paine. 
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Mr. BALL - Where do you work?
Mr. FRAZIER - Work at Texas School Books.
Mr. BALL - How long have you worked there?
Mr. FRAZIER - I have been working there since September.
Mr. BALL - September of 1963?
Mr. FRAZIER - Correct.
Mr. BALL - What kind of work do you do there?
Mr. FRAZIER - I fill orders.
Mr. BALL - How did you happen to get that job?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I went to see, first I come up there and started looking for a job and couldn't find one myself so I went to one of these employment agencies and through that a lady called up one morning, I was fixing to go out and look for one, I was looking for myself in the meantime when they were, too, and so she called up and gave me a tip to it if I was interested in a job like that I could go over there and see about that and for the time being I wasn't working and needed some money and so I did and I went over there and saw Mr. Truly, and he gave me an interview, and then he hired me the same day I went over there.
Mr. BALL - You say you came up, you mean you came up from Huntsville? 
The state prison is in Huntsville ..I would have scratched my head too.
I don't think anyone knows for sure when the plans for the motorcade was decided.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2020, 08:14:32 PM »
This is one of the main problems in your "logic". You relate everything back to the events that actually happened, ...

And the main problem in your "logic" relates back to events that didn't happen. Not directly: You're much too cunning for that. You imply that something else happened by denying 100% of the historical record; but refuse to explain the alternative event. Even a contrarian like you should agree: If you deny a part of the historical record happening, there must exist an alternative event that did happen.

So, Mrs Randle is to blame for the assassination. Got it.

I think "to blame" is too strong an expression. Mrs Randle inadvertently and innocently enabled the possibility of Lee Oswald assassinating President Kennedy.

Oswald's enablers were Alec Hidell (weapons), Oswald Harvey Lee (safe-house), and Dirty Harvey (Smith, Wesson... and Lee)

« Last Edit: April 15, 2020, 08:23:29 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2020, 08:40:27 PM »
Oswald's enablers were Alec Hidell (weapons), Oswald Harvey Lee (safe-house), and Dirty Harvey (Smith, Wesson... and Lee)

Never gets old.

Maybe if you spent more time studying the case and less time trying to make up "clever" one-liners, you'd know basic things like it not being "Alec".

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2020, 11:00:56 PM »
Never gets old.

Maybe if you spent more time studying the case and less time trying to make up "clever" one-liners, you'd know basic things like it not being "Alec".

Ah, typos: The last refuge of the desperate... not that you're anal about them.
Now try to say something important

'Alex'
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2451.msg80948.html#msg80948
« Last Edit: April 15, 2020, 11:19:38 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2020, 11:17:53 PM »
Not that you're anal about typos
Now try to say something important

'Alex'

Still wrong.  Try again.

"Typos".  LOL.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2020, 11:41:20 PM »
Still wrong.  Try again.

"Typos".  LOL.

Thanks so much for yet another fine example of Bugliosi's universally-known splitting-hairs-then-splitting-the-split-hairs take on you lot.

And thanks so much for your always-useful input.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2020, 11:49:17 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2020, 11:49:40 PM »
You miss the point John... not surprisingly.

Most of the conspiracy books (and internet JFK Conspiracy pundits) posit Lee Harvey Oswald as being placed in the TSBD as an employee by conspirators. This is so he could be framed as the assassin of President Kennedy (on 22 November 1963).

Oswald being an employee due to happenstance (or coincidence if you like) fits with him being the sole shooter who assassinated President Kennedy.

Incidentally: If Oswald does not get a job at the TSBD, President Kennedy leaves Dallas alive. Don't give me that "a backup plan was in the works" nonsense. We can only deal with the historical record. Accordingly, "No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD" means that President Kennedy would have lived to complete his first term and probably would have been elected to a second term as President of the United States.

So you are a CT (coincidence theorist)? You CTs think that everything was happenstance to support your LNer position. Who owned the TSBD? Why was the motorcade rerouted down Elm? How do you know Paine wasn't one of Oswald's handlers? Why didn't Oswald take a shot when JFK's limo curbed out and stopped right in front of the TSBD 60 feet from the 6th floor window? Oswald couldn't have missed even with a wonky scope. Why did Oswald get the job only 3 weeks before the Big Event, after the failure of Plan A in Chicago? Did you know about Plan A in Chicago with Oswald's doppelganger, Thomas Arthur Vallee? Oswald was Plan B, which was only in effect if Plan A failed, which it did.

How many coincidences trump a hearsay conversation between Randle and Oswald's handler, Paine? It was Paine who called Superintendent Roy Truly to ask about work for Oswald. Getting the patsy a job in the ideal building was to be accomplished as discreetly as possible. Paine knew enough not to blow her cover. And what do you know about Randle? Your problem is you believe a single tale by possible conspirators proves your case and you ignore everything else and chalk them up to coincidence, just like the conspirators banked on. I'm sure if any are still alive they'd thank you for your patronage. Like most, I believe this was a conspiracy so I consider "no coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald" to be a non-sequitur. Way too many coincidences for my liking.

Timeline
Kennedy's upcoming trip to Dallas was first announced to the public in September 1963
Oswald applied for the TSBD job October 15th 1963
The motorcade route was finalized November 18th, which included a funky turn onto Elm

How convenient for Lucky Lee that the planets aligned for him to get the perfect job, at just the right time, in the perfect building to assassinate the POTUS. Next you'll be telling me that Drumpf made a "Perfect Call" to Ukraine.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2020, 01:18:32 AM by Jack Trojan »