Fidel

[Charles Collins]

The BOP is a long sad tale of perfidy , double dealing, and treachery by those who should have been on JFK's team.

JFK was Navy all the way....  He was from the school who believed that the Ex O should cover for the Captain....

When he realized that he couldn't defuse the ticking time bomb he decided to let the CIA take the reins ....And he put General Cabell at the controls in the role of his EX O .....  He thought that Cabell would authorize the second air strike on the Cuban airfields that hadn't been destroyed in the first strike But Cabell was NOT Navy and didn't understand that he had the authority to run the operation and he lacked the guts to proceed .

More passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

Always the avid student of military history, Castro had assumed that the first step of the invasion would be an attack on his air force (he well remembered that Nasser's entire air force had been destroyed on the ground in Egypt in 1956), so he had dispersed the planes in his small air force. This one move would come to mean the difference between victory and defeat. In the bombing raids that Saturday, Castro lost five planes, but he was left with four British Sea Fury light attack bombers, one B-26, and three T-33S. It would be enough. ...

...But it was his small air force that really won the battle, before the rest of the fighting even began. The American "plan" had been prefaced entirely on the idea that Castro's tiny air force would be destroyed before the invasion force landed. Indeed, the brigadistas had been told it had already been destroyed. This was the fatal falsehood of the invasion. Castro's little Sea Furies were sent out from their hiding places to sink the invasion fleet of the United States of America. The amazing and unexpected fact is that they did! ...

... The battle was not very old when the surviving American ships began steaming out of the bay, stranding some 1,350 brigadistas, who only the day before had been happily sunning themselves at sea. ...

... The CIA had been so certain that Castro's air force would be destroyed that they had not taken even the basic precaution of placing anti-aircraft weapons aboard the ships. As the last U.S. destroyer sailed away from the Bay of Pigs, one brigadista remarked: "In the wake of that ship go two hundred years of infamy."

[Walt Cakebread]

More passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

Always the avid student of military history, Castro had assumed that the first step of the invasion would be an attack on his air force (he well remembered that Nasser's entire air force had been destroyed on the ground in Egypt in 1956), so he had dispersed the planes in his small air force. This one move would come to mean the difference between victory and defeat. In the bombing raids that Saturday, Castro lost five planes, but he was left with four British Sea Fury light attack bombers, one B-26, and three T-33S. It would be enough. ...

...But it was his small air force that really won the battle, before the rest of the fighting even began. The American "plan" had been prefaced entirely on the idea that Castro's tiny air force would be destroyed before the invasion force landed. Indeed, the brigadistas had been told it had already been destroyed. This was the fatal falsehood of the invasion. Castro's little Sea Furies were sent out from their hiding places to sink the invasion fleet of the United States of America. The amazing and unexpected fact is that they did! ...

... The battle was not very old when the surviving American ships began steaming out of the bay, stranding some 1,350 brigadistas, who only the day before had been happily sunning themselves at sea. ...

... The CIA had been so certain that Castro's air force would be destroyed that they had not taken even the basic precaution of placing anti-aircraft weapons aboard the ships. As the last U.S. destroyer sailed away from the Bay of Pigs, one brigadista remarked: "In the wake of that ship go two hundred years of infamy."

I truly wish that I could tell you what really happened, but the story is so long and convoluted that It would take weeks to type out the facts .....So you can Believe it or not....  General Charles Cabell was the man most responsible for the CIA failure at BOP.     John Kennedy being the sailor that he was, lived by the code that He was responsible for anything that happened on his watch.....Thus he publicly accepted the fiasco at BOP..... But in reality it was the back stabbing CIA who was responsible.

[Walt Cakebread]

More passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

Always the avid student of military history, Castro had assumed that the first step of the invasion would be an attack on his air force (he well remembered that Nasser's entire air force had been destroyed on the ground in Egypt in 1956), so he had dispersed the planes in his small air force. This one move would come to mean the difference between victory and defeat. In the bombing raids that Saturday, Castro lost five planes, but he was left with four British Sea Fury light attack bombers, one B-26, and three T-33S. It would be enough. ...

...But it was his small air force that really won the battle, before the rest of the fighting even began. The American "plan" had been prefaced entirely on the idea that Castro's tiny air force would be destroyed before the invasion force landed. Indeed, the brigadistas had been told it had already been destroyed. This was the fatal falsehood of the invasion. Castro's little Sea Furies were sent out from their hiding places to sink the invasion fleet of the United States of America. The amazing and unexpected fact is that they did! ...

... The battle was not very old when the surviving American ships began steaming out of the bay, stranding some 1,350 brigadistas, who only the day before had been happily sunning themselves at sea. ...

... The CIA had been so certain that Castro's air force would be destroyed that they had not taken even the basic precaution of placing anti-aircraft weapons aboard the ships. As the last U.S. destroyer sailed away from the Bay of Pigs, one brigadista remarked: "In the wake of that ship go two hundred years of infamy."

Charlie,   IMO the fundamental problem that caused the BOP fiasco ( and JFK's murder) was the fact that John Kennedy wasn't the ruthless iron fisted cutthroat that was needed in the White House at that time.    He inherited a ruthless mob of cut throat pirates who truly believed that they were the true government of the US and they had to answer to no one.   IOW....JFK was a good man with scruples and character who had got more than he bargained for, and found out after he was on board , the ship of which he was supposed to be the Captain, was a damned pirate ship ....and the ruthless cutthroat pirates were in control.   

[Gerry Down]

I truly wish that I could tell you what really happened, but the story is so long and convoluted that It would take weeks to type out the facts .....So you can Believe it or not....

Walt, if a story can't be told in 20 seconds or less, then its way too convoluted to be real.

[Charles Collins]

Charlie,   IMO the fundamental problem that caused the BOP fiasco ( and JFK's murder) was the fact that John Kennedy wasn't the ruthless iron fisted cutthroat that was needed in the White House at that time.    He inherited a ruthless mob of cut throat pirates who truly believed that they were the true government of the US and they had to answer to no one.   IOW....JFK was a good man with scruples and character who had got more than he bargained for, and found out after he was on board , the ship of which he was supposed to be the Captain, was a damned pirate ship ....and the ruthless cutthroat pirates were in control.   

The fundamental problem that caused the failure appears to me to have been the underestimation of Castro and his abilities. Here is another passage from “Guerrilla Prince by Georgie Anne Geyer that you might find interesting:

“With his uncommon prescience, instinct, and feel, Castro visited the Bay of Pigs only two weeks before the exiles would land, to see how his new Tahitian village resort was coming along. As he was strolling along the bay, he suddenly swirled around to a Cuban companion and exclaimed, "This is a great place for a landing. . . . We should place a fifty-caliber heavy machine gun there, just in case."

[Walt Cakebread]

The fundamental problem that caused the failure appears to me to have been the underestimation of Castro and his abilities. Here is another passage from “Guerrilla Prince by Georgie Anne Geyer that you might find interesting:

“With his uncommon prescience, instinct, and feel, Castro visited the Bay of Pigs only two weeks before the exiles would land, to see how his new Tahitian village resort was coming along. As he was strolling along the bay, he suddenly swirled around to a Cuban companion and exclaimed, "This is a great place for a landing. . . . We should place a fifty-caliber heavy machine gun there, just in case."

he suddenly swirled around to a Cuban companion and exclaimed, "This is a great place for a landing. . . .

He was wrong, just as the CIA planners were wrong....The fact that the landing failed is proof that both Castro and the CIA were wrong....and Bahia de cochinos was NOT a "great place for a landing.....The CIA planners failed to realize that the landing craft couldn't get over the coral reef to land the invaders on the shore....

This failure to see the problem was just one of several monumental failures by the CIA.

[Charles Collins]

he suddenly swirled around to a Cuban companion and exclaimed, "This is a great place for a landing. . . .

He was wrong, just as the CIA planners were wrong....The fact that the landing failed is proof that both Castro and the CIA were wrong....and Bahia de cochinos was NOT a "great place for a landing.....The CIA planners failed to realize that the landing craft couldn't get over the coral reef to land the invaders on the shore....

This failure to see the problem was just one of several monumental failures by the CIA.

Yep, one fiasco after another. And then on the second day, this:

“At 14:00, President Kennedy received a telegram from Nikita Khrushchev in Moscow, stating the Russians would not allow the US to enter Cuba, and implied swift nuclear retribution to the United States heartland if their warnings were not heeded.”[158]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion