Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[John Iacoletti]

PS....I did not write Brian Sawyers ......I wrote Brian   BrianSawyers......and I have attempted to correct that by erasing the name "Brian " and inserting Albert, but it doesn't change....  Can anybody explain this?

Must be one of Duncan's automatic word replacement scripts.

[Walt Cakebread]

Must be one of Duncan's automatic word replacement scripts.

Yes....  I think you're right. ...but it is frustrating.   

Do you have any idea how Sayers got the idea that Seymour Weitzman actually had the rifle in his hands and Fritz "appeared and took it from him"

[Tom Scully]

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PS....I did not write Brian Sawyers ......I wrote Brian   BrianSawyers......and I have attempted to correct that by erasing the name "Brian " and inserting Albert, but it doesn't change....  Can anybody explain this?

Walt, it is a script. My "work around" is to spell it using the number 1 as a substitute for the non-capital letter L :

A1bert

Responding to the question asked in the OP of this thread....

What do you make of this... I discovered and documented Grossi / Bowen informing author Epstein that Oswald brought his MC rifle to their place of employment and that James H Martin had an interestingly similar criminal background as Grossi / Bowen with the US Navy at approx. the same time, both were car thieves, and Martin claimed the government had run his background and "propositioned him" into taking Marina and her two girls into his home. Not the stuff of lone nuttery!

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=71122&search=martin_and+%221941+chevrolet+car%22#relPageId=4&tab=page
FBI - HSCA Subject File: James Herbert Martin/
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1252

Anybody want to attempt to explain why Fleda Ryder Bowen Mantooth's brother, Dial Ryder, and her former husband Jack Bowen, father of their son, wanted the public to believe Oswald just happened to present "his rifle" to both of them? Doesn't seem to fit the "lone nut" narrative, but more like conspiring of a felon or two, to plant or to cement a narrative? ....

[John Iacoletti]

Yes....  I think you're right. ...but it is frustrating.   

Do you have any idea how Sayers got the idea that Seymour Weitzman actually had the rifle in his hands and Fritz "appeared and took it from him"

Maybe it actually happened.  You can't expect that the small amount of remaining Alyea footage captured everything that happened.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, it is a script. My "work around" is to spell it using the number 1 as a substitute for the non-capital letter L :

A1bert

Responding to the question asked in the OP of this thread....

Thank you, Tom..... I'll try that the next time....

[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe it actually happened.  You can't expect that the small amount of remaining Alyea footage captured everything that happened.

Maybe it actually happened.

 Virtually everybody who was present after the rifle was discovered, said that nobody touched the rifle before Lt Day picked it off the floor.   If Weitzman had picked up the rifle he probably would have been fired on the spot.  I seriously doubt that Weitzman ever had his hands on the carcano.....  However There is a very real possibilty that Weitzman examined a 7.65 Mauser that he had been told was the rifle that he and Boone had discovered.     Recall that initially the authorities were adamant that the rifle was a Mauser....and many news reports said that the rifle was a Mauser.   

A1bert Sawyers report sounds as though Weitzman was given a Mauser and asked to describe it....Which he did...and his description seems to be describing a 7.65 Mauser....NOT the carcano.    One of the most interesting points is Weitzman saying the the rear of the bolt was damaged .....  The bolt of the carcano ( C2766) is definitely NOT damaged.....

I can only speculate that by Saturday the conspirators were getting very nervous and knew that they had no case against Lee Oswald....Thus they might have been preparing to present the Mauser as the murder weapon or the weapon of Lee Oswald's acomplice.....

[Tom Scully]

Maybe it actually happened.

 Virtually everybody who was present after the rifle was discovered, said that nobody touched the rifle before Lt Day picked it off the floor.   If Weitzman had picked up the rifle he probably would have been fired on the spot.  I seriously doubt that Weitzman ever had his hands on the carcano.....  However There is a very real possibilty that Weitzman examined a 7.65 Mauser that he had been told was the rifle that he and Boone had discovered.     Recall that initially the authorities were adamant that the rifle was a Mauser....and many news reports said that the rifle was a Mauser.   

A1bert Sawyers report sounds as though Weitzman was given a Mauser and asked to describe it....Which he did...and his description seems to be describing a 7.65 Mauser....NOT the carcano.    One of the most interesting points is Weitzman saying the the rear of the bolt was damaged .....  The bolt of the carcano ( C2766) is definitely NOT damaged.....

I can only speculate that by Saturday the conspirators were getting very nervous and knew that they had no case against Lee Oswald....Thus they might have been preparing to present the Mauser as the murder weapon or the weapon of Lee Oswald's acomplice.....

Walt, why are you being so stubborn? Dial Ryder and his brother-in-law, Grossi AKA Bowen both claim they saw Oswald's rifle and one of Oswald's wallets had this lie-berry card inside!
"eyes" dotted, "tees" crossed, Walt. Suggest you finally, "get with the program"!



Dial Ryder's sister Fleta married, back to back, two felons, but so what!

LINK :

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/29053767/fleta-l_-mantooth
Fleta L. Ryder Mantooth
BIRTH   3 May 1923
Claremont, Richland County, Illinois, USA
DEATH   14 Aug 2008 (aged 85)
Olney, Young County, Texas, USA

Fleta was the daughter of Homer Richard and Magdalena Jeanetta (Baehr) Ryder and raised with one brother and six sisters. She married Roy Lee Mantooth December 13, 1963, in Albany, Texas. He preceded her in death on March 10, 1979.

During World War II she built B-29's and B-17's in Illinois and Fort Worth, Texas. She worked for U.S. Brass in assembly for 20 years and most recently for Olney I.S.D. in food services. She was a member of the Southside Baptist Church and the Cross Country Emmaus Community.

She moved to Olney from Abilene, Texas in 1990. She was preceded in death by two sisters, Fern Boyett and Mardella Cox.

At time of death she was survived by one son, Glenn Lewis Mantooth and wife, Nicole of Abilene, Texas; two daughters, Dixie Kirby and husband DeWayne of Olney, Texas and Gypsie Fomby and husband Dale of Clyde, Texas; one brother, Dial Ryder of Irving, Texas; four sisters, Magdelene Beanblossom of Decatur, Illinois, Iseaphene Kutz of Olney, Illinois, Marcella Farrar of Poteau, Oklahoma and Velma Douglas of Killeen, Texas.