Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #602 on: March 25, 2020, 08:59:06 PM »
Wow.  I knew Walt was dense but this is abusing his village idiot exemption.  That's exactly my point imbecile.  If MP were trying to frame Oswald as you suggested, then he would have confirmed things like Oswald owned a rifle, hated JFK and was a violent nut.  None of which he did.  Thus, he was not framing Oswald.  Can you understand that obvious point?  That's a rhetorical question (meaning that I already know the answer).

he would have confirmed things like Oswald owned a rifle,

Paine testified at LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee" hearings, that he never knew that Lee Oswald had possession of a rifle.   So how could he have "confirmed things like Oswald owned a rifle"     Are you now saying that Paine lied to the WC ??

Offline Ross Lidell

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« Reply #603 on: March 25, 2020, 09:04:39 PM »
On the night of 11/22/63 Mike Paine showed Captain Fritz a BY photo .... (133c)  Fritz asked him if he knew where the photo was taken, but apparently Paine didn't know where the photo had been taken, so Fritz displayed the photo to Lee Oswald and asked him where the photo had been taken ...Lee told Fritz that the photo was a fake....

I'm sure you know that the back yard photo shows Lee Oswald holding a Mannlicher Carcano  like the one the FBI claimed was the murder weapon.

Wow!!! Please provide a little more detail about how and when Michael Paine found the backyard (Neely Street, Dallas) photo showing Lee Oswald holding a Carcano rifle.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #604 on: March 25, 2020, 09:13:27 PM »
Wow!!! Please provide a little more detail about how and when Michael Paine found the backyard (Neely Street, Dallas) photo showing Lee Oswald holding a Carcano rifle.


You can find it just as I did.....  Hint....Appendix  XI......

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #605 on: March 25, 2020, 09:50:36 PM »
On the night of 11/22/63 Mike Paine showed Captain Fritz a BY photo .... (133c)  Fritz asked him if he knew where the photo was taken, but apparently Paine didn't know where the photo had been taken, so Fritz displayed the photo to Lee Oswald and asked him where the photo had been taken ...Lee told Fritz that the photo was a fake....

I'm sure you know that the back yard photo shows Lee Oswald holding a Mannlicher Carcano  like the one the FBI claimed was the murder weapon.

On the night of 11/22/63 Mike Paine showed Captain Fritz a BY photo ....

Walt, this isn't what happened.

On Friday evening an FBI agent showed a BY photo to Paine and asked him if he knew where it was taken. Paine told him it was Neely Street and that information was somehow relayed to Captain Fritz who asked Oswald about it on Saturday morning....

Mr. LIEBELER - Did the FBI or any other investigatory agency of the Government ever show you a picture of the rifle that was supposed to have been used to assassinate the President?
Mr. PAINE - They asked me at first, the first night of the assassination if I could locate, identify the place where Lee was standing when he was holding this rifle and some, the picture on the cover of Life.
Mr. LIEBELER - Were you able to?
Mr. PAINE - I identified the place by the fine clapboard structure of the house.
Mr. LIEBELER - By the what?
Mr. PAINE - By the small clapboard structure, the house has an unusually small clapboard.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you identify the place as being?
Mr. PAINE - The Neely Street address. He didn't drive a car, so to have them over for dinner I had to go over and pick them up.


The trouble with this is of course that the BY photos were officially not found until the second search (this time with a warrant) of Ruth Paine's house on Saturday afternoon.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #606 on: March 25, 2020, 09:53:28 PM »
he would have confirmed things like Oswald owned a rifle,

Paine testified at LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee" hearings, that he never knew that Lee Oswald had possession of a rifle.   So how could he have "confirmed things like Oswald owned a rifle"     Are you now saying that Paine lied to the WC ??

Paine did in fact lie to the WC.

In a television interview, years later, he claimed that he had seen a rifle in Oswald's apartment on Neely Street.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #607 on: March 25, 2020, 10:02:47 PM »
he would have confirmed things like Oswald owned a rifle,

Paine testified at LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee" hearings, that he never knew that Lee Oswald had possession of a rifle.   So how could he have "confirmed things like Oswald owned a rifle"     Are you now saying that Paine lied to the WC ??

Ugh.  Do you have a learning disability?  I said that Paine WOULD have said things like he knew Oswald owned a rifle if he were attempting to frame him.  Not that he did say that.  That is the entire point.  The fact that Paine didn't say these types of things suggests his intent was not to frame Oswald.  I can't dumb it down any further for you. 

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #608 on: March 25, 2020, 10:07:23 PM »
Ugh.  Do you have a learning disability?  I said that Paine WOULD have said things like he knew Oswald owned a rifle if he were attempting to frame him.  Not that he did say that.  That is the entire point.  The fact that Paine didn't say these types of things suggests his intent was not to frame Oswald.  I can't dumb it down any further for you.

The fact that Paine didn't say these types of things suggests his intent was not to frame Oswald.

No, it does not suggest that at all.

The argument can just as easily be made that when you try to frame somebody it shouldn't be done too obviously. Sometimes less is more!

The "camping gear in the blanket" story does not confirm that Paine knew Oswald had a rifle, yet is sufficient to "suggest" that there was really a rifle in that blanket.
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