Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #420 on: March 18, 2020, 12:05:53 AM »
Yes, You're right....  Day did not disassemble the Carcano and discover a palm print on the 5/8" diameter metal barrel,but after Henry wade had told the whole wide world that they had found Lee Oswald's prints on the Carcano Day was obligated ( He wanted to continue receiving a nice paycheck, and enjoying the green grass from above the surface)  to swear that he had found the print on the metal barrel of the rifle.   

PS... Personally I doubt that Detective Day had the mechanical ability to disassemble the Carcano .......

Walt, do you or anyone else seen the documents that admit the paper samples to the crime lab that day? The samples that were supposedly taken from the wrapping table? Is there documentation that exists that show they were admitted (and when)?

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« Reply #421 on: March 18, 2020, 01:39:47 AM »
Here's a deal. I will if you attempt to answer my questions so far. Who discovered the bag? Did it occur before or after the discovery of the rifle? Who fingerprinted it? I feel the only way we can move forward it to have agreement on as many facts as possiblel
From what I can find...It was Detective R L Studebaker---

 

Uh no...wait a second---It was Detective Lt Carl Day!



However, Studebaker drew an outline of where he found the bag----


Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #422 on: March 18, 2020, 01:59:58 AM »
From what I can find...It was Detective R L Studebaker---

 

Uh no...wait a second---It was Detective Lt Carl Day!



However, Studebaker drew an outline of where he found the bag----



Thanks for the reply Jerry. Trying to identify the "discoverer" of the bag is a rabbit hole. This result is a clear failure for an "exhaustive" investigation for such a key piece of evidence. Note the dates on the reports you posted. We know the bag spent some time in two locations  with Studebaker in the TSBD on the 22nd November. On the sixth floor and at the first floor wrapping table. Question is in what order?

Offline Jack Nessan

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« Reply #423 on: March 18, 2020, 08:44:29 AM »
From what I can find...It was Detective R L Studebaker---

 

Uh no...wait a second---It was Detective Lt Carl Day!



However, Studebaker drew an outline of where he found the bag----



They should have asked Kent Biffle who found the bag. He was present and looking at the bag prior to the discovery of the rifle.

Offline Jack Nessan

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« Reply #424 on: March 18, 2020, 08:48:06 AM »
Thanks for the reply Jerry. Trying to identify the "discoverer" of the bag is a rabbit hole. This result is a clear failure for an "exhaustive" investigation for such a key piece of evidence. Note the dates on the reports you posted. We know the bag spent some time in two locations  with Studebaker in the TSBD on the 22nd November. On the sixth floor and at the first floor wrapping table. Question is in what order?

The bag is not a key piece of evidence. LHO was seen carrying a long sack to the TSBD on 11/22. If Oswald had destroyed the bag it would not have changed the fact his rifle was matched to the shells and bullet and fragments and that LHO's rifle was found between the boxes on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

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« Reply #425 on: March 18, 2020, 09:40:50 AM »
The bag is not a key piece of evidence. LHO was seen carrying a long sack to the TSBD on 11/22. If Oswald had destroyed the bag it would not have changed the fact his rifle was matched to the shells and bullet and fragments and that LHO's rifle was found between the boxes on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Of course it’s a key piece Jack. Oswald was accused of carrying a bag that morning. The FBI claimed his prints were on it. The FBI claimed it was produced from material available in the TSBD, likely the day before. It ties him to the schooling scene.

Anything else I wrote in the post you responded to that you disagree with?

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« Reply #426 on: March 18, 2020, 12:47:01 PM »
If a really old rifle hull was discovered behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll, it would have to be considered irrelevant because it wasn't discovered immediately on the day of the assassination and there's no chain of evidence. Same with any new evidence such as the Babushka Lady photo or an assassin's confession.

So what was the chain of evidence for CE142? That was entered into evidence within a few hours. Who gave it to who? Who was the first to open it? Was it open and then folded first?