Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2020, 01:26:04 AM »
Apparently you are not smart enough to understand what you have posted....   So Let's parse Brennan'e statement....

 Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill,  "as it appeared to me'.....Could also be " as I saw it"....

The man, who incidentally was dressed quite differently than Lee Oswald ( the man weighed about 175 pounds and was dressed in LIGHT COLORED KHAKI clothing )
That man was STANDING...or in Brennan's words...Quote ...."he was standing up"....unquote   Do you understand those words,  Chappie ?

" with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot."

The WC said that Lee Oswald was seated on a box that was back behind a stack of Rolling Readers ..... so he would not have been visible to Brennan because the brick wall of the TSBD beneath the window, and the stack of Rolling Readers boxes,  would have blocked his line of sight. But Brennan clearly said that The 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing had the hunting rifle     quote..."shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot.".. unquote    Do you understand that Brennan's eyewitness account is starkly different than the WC' s account??

 "As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.

Perhaps you've never read Brennan's affidavit,l which he gave about an hour after the murder.....  In his affidavit he says,  quote... "Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight"   unquote    The affidavit says the Brennan saw the man " let the gun DOWN to his side".... Obviously the man had to be STANDING.....

You claimed Brennan didn't use the term 'it appeared to me' in the description of the shot in question. Look at Brennan's testimony and find who's wrong.

And stop deflecting.

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Offline Peter Kleinschmidt

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Re: Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2020, 05:50:34 AM »
You claimed Brennan didn't use the term 'it appeared to me' in the description of the shot in question. Look at Brennan's testimony and find who's wrong.

And stop deflecting.

Brennan did not see anything. You should understand Brennan better than anyone, he just wanted to feel included.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2020, 04:16:33 PM »
You claimed Brennan didn't use the term 'it appeared to me' in the description of the shot in question. Look at Brennan's testimony and find who's wrong.

And stop deflecting.

You claimed Brennan didn't use the term 'it appeared to me' in the description of the shot in question. Look at Brennan's testimony and find who's wrong.

My Dear Chappie, I did not ever say that Brennan didn't used he term " it appeared to me"   But....I anticipated that you would be so stupid that you wouldn't be able to discern the difference between the words "as it appeared to me" and the words  " APPEARED TO BE" as you posted when you posted this.... And yet Brennan stated that Jarman & Williams appeared to be standing as well.

In the first instance of " as it appeared to me " Brennan is saying that as he viewed the scene as it " appeared to him" that the man was standing....and he verified that observation by saying that he could see the entire upper body of the man from his belt up.

In the second instance Brennan is speculating... and he used the words "appeared to be" in referring to Williams' and Jarman's stance.   

I doubt that you have the intelligence to discern the obvious difference between the two terms......so it's no mystery why you accept the WR as the truth..... 

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2020, 06:54:35 PM »
Brennan did not see anything. You should understand Brennan better than anyone, he just wanted to feel included.

"Brennan did not see anything."

Wow!....  I cannot imagine how a reasonable person could arrive at such a conclusion......

Please explain why a person who "did not see anything" would jump off his perch, and go directly to a policeman and report that he'd seen a man aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window during the gunfire.    Either the man actually did see a man aiming a rifle out of a window or he was a loon.     

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2020, 08:40:33 PM »
Either the man actually did see a man aiming a rifle out of a window or he was a loon.   

...or both

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Re: Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2020, 09:06:43 PM »
...or both

At the time of the murder, Brennan was just another good citizen who wanted to help the police catch the criminal.....   So when he saw all of the police going to the rail yard behind the GK, he wanted to alert a cop to the fact that he'd seen a man with a hunting rifle aiming it out of an upper story window. So he dashed over to the cop and told him what he had seen....   

Later after he realized that the police were only interested in framing Lee Oswald he became a bit unhinged.....a loon.     

I suspect that Brennan's mind may have tricked him into thinking that what he had see just a couple of minutes before the shooting took place during the shooting....

IOW.... Brennan saw basically the same thing that Arnold Rowland saw ...except Brennan actually saw the khaki clad man aiming the rifle out of the window, as he scanned the crowd through the telescopic sight, just as hunters frequently do.   Then a couple of minutes later after the shooting he imagined that he had seen the man aiming the rifle DURING the shooting.      Yes that's entirely speculative.... BUT... it's feasible and there's no reasonable rebuttal for Brennan's story.   The WC recognized that they had to discredit Brennan's story so they made him a star witness so they could twist his story and manipulate a man who was  full of fear after seeing Lee Oswald murdered while being escorted by the very same cops who he had desperately tried to tell that Lee was NOT the man that he had seen aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window.

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Re: Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2020, 01:54:45 AM »
"Brennan did not see anything."

Wow!....  I cannot imagine how a reasonable person could arrive at such a conclusion......

Please explain why a person who "did not see anything" would jump off his perch, and go directly to a policeman and report that he'd seen a man aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window during the gunfire.    Either the man actually did see a man aiming a rifle out of a window or he was a loon.   
Brennan explains seeing a man and describes it in such a way that no one can support it, meaning Brennan says "taking aim for his last shot"...." he fired last shot or the third shot" and the man was in no great rush or hurry. If this was true, there should be others who saw some part of the slow and methodical assassin. The assassin's process is certainly not described as a split-second action but more like a 5,10 15 second action for one shot. Brennan says "he seemed to pause for a moment". That too is not a split-second. It makes me wonder if this man is still in the window