Does Truly's Roll Call Suggest He Was Part Of The Evil, Evil Plot?

[Thomas Graves]

Would you have reported Oswald missing if you were him?

Good Question.....    I believe that most intelligent folks with an iota of commonsense would probably  NOT have reported Lee Oswald missing.....

The reasons being...  A)   There was no reason to believe that Lee was a ruthless violent killer....  He had never caused any friction or dissent among his fellow workers.  He was a model employee, and frequently responded to fellow workers and supervisors with  a "Yes, Sir" or "No, Sir" answer.  But the major reason I wouldn't have reported his absence if I was Roy Truly, was because I had just seen him, and talked to him  just SECONDS after the shooting and he was not at all afraid or suspicious acting....he was completely normal.   

The fact that Truly went out of his way to alert the police to Lee's absence is far more suspicious of Truly's participation in the murder than Lee's role.

Walter,

Not all premeditated murders are committed by people who come across as sociopaths beforehand.

Regardless of Oswald's tendency to say "Yes Sir" / "No Sir", etc, didn't  several people at the TSBD describe him as being a bit of an odd duck -- always keeping to his superior Cassius-like self?

Maybe the juxtaposition of former-marine Oswald's "appearing normal" 90 seconds after the assassination with his suddenly disappearing after that (while all the other "Texas Redneck" white laborers had stayed behind) was what made an impression on Truly and seemed to warrant his notifying Fritz about it.

--  MWT 

[Jerry Freeman]

There was no roll call that 'discovered' Oswald's absence. Not according to Truly himself and also Bill Shelly..
As I have stated many times...everything has already been presented before-over and over----Who missed Lee the most?
Shelly stated that he was the one who noticed Oswald was missing and then told Truly...but Truly said HE had not seen Oswald and asked Shelly about it    YEAH RIGHT
 From Oct 22-----Note the dates of the affidavits....No mention of any 'roll call' ...no mention because a roll call was actually a police invention.
 
 https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2253.msg66250.html#msg66250

[Thomas Graves]

You mean Carolyn Arnold, the witness who originally said she saw Oswald ("she felt it was") on the first-floor though the front doors from the street?

Then fifteen years later, she tells the "Dallas Morning News" that she saw Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom about 12:25. ("I do not recall that he was doing anything ... He was alone as usual and appeared to be having lunch"). The same month she puts the time at "about 12:15. It may have been slightly later" to writer Anthony Summers.

Those who were with Arnold place their leaving at about 12:15. Oswald himself said he ate lunch on the first-floor, not the second-floor lunchroom where office workers usually ate.

Jerry,

Did Carolyn Arnold say she saw Oswald "from the street," or from the steps?

Regardless, did James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio at the so-called Education Forum pay her to say that?
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Or, for that matter, that she saw him sitting in the second floor lunch room at 12:25?

--  MWT 

[Mike Orr]

Roy Truly might have just thought about the people under him who worked there at the TSBD because there were a few other people who were not accounted for at that specific time of the day . There was more than one company that had space in the TSBD . Scott Foresman and Allyn Bacon were two companies who distributed school books out of the TSBD . In that time of chaos , I don't believe everyone could have been accounted for . Not all Marines were good shots and that is why the 3 levels , Expert , Sharpshooter and Marksman distinguished the difference in your ability with a rifle . If you were an expert rifleman or a Sharpshooter , you were probably going to be an 0311 grunt during whatever war those idiots in Washington DC had us involved in . I was in the Marines 69-71 and when you got your assignment at the end of Boot Camp and you were good with the rifle then you were probably going to Viet Nam as a grunt . I can still remember our DI calling out names !  He might say Heckett who was an expert with the M14 , Heckett would say Yes Sir and the DI would just say ' You're going ' which was short for you're a grunt and you're whole world was about to change . Then after ITR at Camp Pendleton you got your orders which became real because you were going into the shit or you might go to a number of places . I got orders for Iwakuni , Japan and one of my good buddies from Boot Camp was going to Nam . Everything became REAL that day !

[Alan Hardaker]

Between them, Shelley and Truly notice Oswald is missing. Police are informed. End of. That's it. Why even bother to make a thread out of it...oh..so more suspicious nonsense can be peddled..

[Thomas Graves]

Roy Truly might have just thought about the people under him who worked there at the TSBD because there were a few other people who were not accounted for at that specific time of the day . There was more than one company that had space in the TSBD . Scott Foresman and Allyn Bacon were two companies who distributed school books out of the TSBD . In that time of chaos , I don't believe everyone could have been accounted for . Not all Marines were good shots and that is why the 3 levels , Expert , Sharpshooter and Marksman distinguished the difference in your ability with a rifle . If you were an expert rifleman or a Sharpshooter , you were probably going to be an 0311 grunt during whatever war those idiots in Washington DC had us involved in . I was in the Marines 69-71 and when you got your assignment at the end of Boot Camp and you were good with the rifle then you were probably going to Viet Nam as a grunt . I can still remember our DI calling out names !  He might say Heckett who was an expert with the M14 , Heckett would say Yes Sir and the DI would just say ' You're going ' which was short for you're a grunt and your whole world was about to change . Then after ITR at Camp Pendleton you got your orders which became real because you were going into the shit or you might go to a number of places . I got orders for Iwakuni , Japan and one of my good buddies from Boot Camp was going to Nam . Everything became REAL that day !

Mike,

"Marksman" in the Marines is pretty good by civilian standards.

Regardless, Truly knew that Oswald had been in the Marines. How did he know Oswald hadn't been a super-duper "Expert"-rated killing machine?  I think he would have had to assume that, just to be safe.

--  MWT   

[Charles Collins]

Roy Truly might have just thought about the people under him who worked there at the TSBD because there were a few other people who were not accounted for at that specific time of the day . There was more than one company that had space in the TSBD . Scott Foresman and Allyn Bacon were two companies who distributed school books out of the TSBD . In that time of chaos , I don't believe everyone could have been accounted for . Not all Marines were good shots and that is why the 3 levels , Expert , Sharpshooter and Marksman distinguished the difference in your ability with a rifle . If you were an expert rifleman or a Sharpshooter , you were probably going to be an 0311 grunt during whatever war those idiots in Washington DC had us involved in . I was in the Marines 69-71 and when you got your assignment at the end of Boot Camp and you were good with the rifle then you were probably going to Viet Nam as a grunt . I can still remember our DI calling out names !  He might say Heckett who was an expert with the M14 , Heckett would say Yes Sir and the DI would just say ' You're going ' which was short for you're a grunt and you're whole world was about to change . Then after ITR at Camp Pendleton you got your orders which became real because you were going into the shit or you might go to a number of places . I got orders for Iwakuni , Japan and one of my good buddies from Boot Camp was going to Nam . Everything became REAL that day !

Not all Marines were good shots and that is why the 3 levels , Expert , Sharpshooter and Marksman distinguished the difference in your ability with a rifle.

 I think that you would probably agree that the amount of training received, and the minimum requirements to qualify, would insure that: relative to the average civilian’s shooting abilities, even the lowest Marine Corps shooting level would be considered a very good shot.