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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2019, 03:45:58 PM »
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Before that, the standard was probable cause.

Wrong. Before that it was whoever and whenever the police decided to. And some of their practices in certain areas of certain cities were being challenged in court.

No, you’re wrong. The reason the suit was brought up was because the police were violating the probable cause requirement, at which point the Supreme Court carved out an exception.

Even if police routinely ignore the law, that doesn’t magically make their conduct legal.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2019, 03:47:37 PM »
The arrest report says nothing about an officer being punched or a trigger being pulled in the theater, or of resisting arrest — which points to those claims being invented after the fact in order to rationalize the police misconduct.

Just because they didn’t include those charges in the arrest report, it doesn’t follow that it didn’t happen. Any police misconduct is strictly in your head.

Then what is your evidence that Oswald was arrested for any other reason?

What is the purpose of a written arrest report in the first place?

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« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2019, 03:51:35 PM »
No, you’re wrong. The reason the suit was brought up was because the police were violating the probable cause requirement, at which point the Supreme Court carved out an exception.

Even if police routinely ignore the law, that doesn’t magically make their conduct legal.


The reason the suit was brought up was because the police were violating the probable cause requirement, at which point the Supreme Court carved out an exception.


In 1958 the Cincinnati Police Department implemented one of the first field interrogation campaigns. … One week into the campaign, the Cincinnati branch of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) complained to the city manager. Jim Paradise, the branch president, criticized the “dragnet-like campaign of indiscriminate accosting and interrogation of the citizens.”

The ACLU had never heard of a program whereby the police “place an entire community under its control in this fashion,” and indeed, the constitutionality of the field interrogation was an open question. Until that point, no court had directly addressed the legal standard governing stop-and-frisk. Police simply did it, and all the time. What shocked the ACLU was the deliberate, systematic, and coercive nature of the campaign.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/stop-and-frisk-dragnet-ferguson-baltimore/

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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2019, 03:59:38 PM »
LOL. Are you a professional mind-reading psychologist illustrator?

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« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2019, 04:01:55 PM »
Police in the south used to routinely beat up black people too. Something isn’t automatically legal just because it hasn’t yet been challenged in court. The US Constitution is clear about probable cause.

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2019, 04:05:34 PM »
Police in the south used to routinely beat up black people too. Something isn’t automatically legal just because it hasn’t yet been challenged in court. The US Constitution is clear about probable cause.


The US Constitution is clear about probable cause.

How so? And if so, why then did the supreme court rule otherwise?

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« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2019, 04:47:43 PM »
How interesting. And utterly irrelevant.

Who gives a damn what constitutes a “smirk”?

It seems to matter on a thread named the 'smirk'

Several witnesses thought LHO's trait of pursing his lips with upturned ends was a smile, grin, or smirk:
-- Charles Collins OP



It seems to matter to the usual CT Snarling Attack Dogs who started all this by piling on yours truly as to what the above image represents according to the OP.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2019, 05:42:32 PM »
Police in the south used to routinely beat up black people too. Something isn’t automatically legal just because it hasn’t yet been challenged in court. The US Constitution is clear about probable cause.

Pretty sure Dallas is in Texas. The Texas Penal Code does not provide a clear definition of probable cause.

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"Probable cause is an abstract concept of law. The finite definition of probable cause is evasive. Courts must determine whether sufficient probable cause was available for an arrest on a case by case basis."  - Brett Podolsky
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