56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.

[Walt Cakebread]

You mad fools! You STILL don't get it. No wonder you're LNers, you have no sense of logic or critical thinking.

I can't show you that the MB can't be done. That would be trying to prove a negative and you would accuse me of not trying hard enough. Only you can prove it was possible and you sure as hell can't do it with drawings and graphics. You guys have to get off the pot and conduct a real live physical experiment for once in your lives.

If you are so damned sure that JFK's slouch allowed the MB to "work fine", then bloody well show it with a re-enactment.  Slouch in your chair just like JFK did (or find someone who can) and position yourself so that the high laser strikes you 2 inches right of the spine at the T1 vertebrae and the low laser strikes you in the throat at the C7 vertebrae. Then take a couple of photos showing your body position and the 2 laser dots that makes the MB work fine. You don't even have to post the photos. They are your own personal proof that the MB was possible and no one can take that away from you! 

As for Mytton, he's just barely competent enough to know the significance of doing this laser re-enactment, which is why he did it long ago hoping to make me eat crow. I'm still waiting.

I fully agree with you.... Though I've never performed the Laser experiment.   I've known for years that there were no shots fired from the SE corner window. There are many physical reasons that nobody could have shot President Kennedy from that window, and they have been enumerated  many times by many different posters.

[John Iacoletti]

Why do people keep referring to Croft when nobody believes that the alleged single bullet hit JFK at the time of Croft?

[John Mytton]

Why do people keep referring to Croft when nobody believes that the alleged single bullet hit JFK at the time of Croft?

Croft was taken at Zapruder frame 161.



This GIF is the Zapruder film from Z161 through to after Kennedy emerges from behind the sign.



JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

Croft was taken at Zapruder frame 161.

This GIF is the Zapruder film from Z161 through to after Kennedy emerges from behind the sign.

And your point would be . . . ?

[Walt Cakebread]

Why do people keep referring to Croft when nobody believes that the alleged single bullet hit JFK at the time of Croft?

   nobody  Walt believes that the alleged single bullet hit JFK at the time of Croft?

 Mr Iacoletti .....   I'm not sure how precise you are being when you say the single bullet hit JFK at the instant that Croft snapped the shutter.....But I believe that Croft snapped the shutter a split second after the bullet passed through JFK's throat .....However my name is not Nobody.....

[John Iacoletti]

Fair enough - I didn’t know that.

But none of the SBT LNers who are using Croft as a posture and “jacket-bunch” reference think that a bullet hit him then.

[Jack Trojan]

Trojan's experiment is right out of Rube Goldberg.

Imagine using a protractor on a laser. And do you need positional mounts for the lasers? Do you mount the back laser on the wall or ceiling?

Instead of two lasers, you only need one. Position the laser and take a photo with no one there, and without moving the camera, take another with a person breaking the beam. Then superimpose the pictures.

But first you need to measure the laser beam angle on the photo until it gets to 17-degrees, assuming the camera is at a right angle to the laser beam. That's just the technical set-up. One has to figure out the posture requirements, which renders the whole experiment subjective.

Jerry, why aren't you getting this? The set up couldn't be easier or clearer. You just need to understand geometry a little better than you do. You can easily angle the low laser 17 degrees by using a tiny bit of trig to work out the opposite and adjacent sides of the triangle. The opposite side is where you position the high laser and you position it exactly where the red dot from the low laser strikes it. Then you aim the high laser at the low laser so that they have a coincident alignment of their beams. With this the set up is complete.

And yes, you do need 2 lasers to simulate the straight line path thru your body to identify the entrance and exit wounds. You can't do that with a single laser because you need simultaneous red dots on your body estimating the MB wounds. You certainly can't take one photo, move the laser and take another photo and expect your body to be in the exact same position as the 1st photo. Comprende?

When you find a solution that works fine, note your body position and compare that to JFK's. If you think you have a match then post the results and make me eat crow.

2 leveling lasers cost me $35 bucks, I found an old protractor from grade school (even though you can use trig instead), I used a camera tripod on a table for the high laser and it took me about 10 minutes to set the whole thing up. And after many minutes of work, I just couldn't make the MB work for me. Maybe you will have better luck. As for JFK, he must have had a grossly disfigured spine or he was bent over so far he could kiss his own ass goodbye.

We can poo-poo each other's graphics until the cows come home, and rightly so, but you can't effectively argue against a re-enactment with a surrogate based on valid geometry. EOS.