Tippit Shooting, 1:15

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #77 on: October 10, 2019, 03:34:57 PM »
The conflict is that she told Aynesworth that “she saw him run off the porch to the left and that was the last time she saw him.” Versus your claim that: “she saw him at the bus stop just after the 1:00 news came on television.”

There is no conflict. Both claims can be correct. People aren't always accurate and 100% complete in their recollections, in every conversation.

Perhaps you would have had a valid point if the bus stop had been a mile or so away, but it wasn't. It was nearly in front of the roominghouse.

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #78 on: October 10, 2019, 03:44:45 PM »
Yeah right... Earlene Roberts saw him at the bus stop just after the one o'clock news came on television.

According to Hugh Aynesworth, she initially had a completely different account:

From Hugh Aynesworth interview by Larry A. Sneed in his book: “No More Silence.”

“She told me that day that Oswald came running in while she was watching television and that she tried to talk to him about the President being killed. He didn’t want to talk, so he went in, changed his jacket and ran out. She then saw him run off the porch to the left and that was the last time that she saw him.”

changed his jacket

So, if we are to believe Aynesworth's account, Earlene Roberts told him basically that Oswald entered the house wearing a jacket?

You can not change a jacket if you aren't wearing one to begin with, right?

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #79 on: October 10, 2019, 05:03:27 PM »
changed his jacket

So, if we are to believe Aynesworth's account, Earlene Roberts told him basically that Oswald entered the house wearing a jacket?

You can not change a jacket if you aren't wearing one to begin with, right?

This brings up something that Mrs Robert's said.....  Mrs Roberts said that he was in his "shirt sleeves" when he arrived at the rooming house at 1:00pm.....

My grandmother used those same words when she was referring to a man wearing an undershirt....without another garment ( jacket or sleeved shirt)

It's possible that Lee had already removed his sport shirt and thus Mrs Roberts saw him wearing his undershirt when he arrived at the house.

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #80 on: October 10, 2019, 05:28:23 PM »
Four firearms experts testified that the empty cartridge cases, found near the crime scene, were fired from the Smith & Wesson 38 special caliber revolver taken from Oswald, when he was arrested at the theatre.And they declared that the four cartridges were fired from this weapon, to the exclussion of all others.

A total of 12 witnesses saw the man with the revolver.Six had picked Oswald out from line ups as the man at the crime scene .Three other identified him from photographs.Two others said he resembled the man at the crime scene. Not claiming this is being ignored.

There is an issue with the time in relation to Oswald getting from his rooming house at around the 1.02+ in time to get to the crime scene to commit murder. But that doesn't rule out Oswald. The eye witnesses and the ballistic evidence are to strong to be dismissed. And both those strong lines of evidence place Oswald at the crime scene.

A total of 12 witnesses saw the man with the revolver.  The eye witnesses and the ballistic evidence are to strong to be dismissed.

I agree....the ballistic evidence is to strong to be dismissed.

Virtually all of the witnesses who saw the gunman after the murder of Tippit said that he removed one spent shell at a time as he walked away from the scene.   The killer removed one spent shell and tossed it away and then removed another and another as he walked along...Thus the shells were scattered over a large area.

The S&W revolver has an ejector mechanism that ejects all of the shells at once.   ( This was demonstrated for the Warren Commission)

So if the killer had been using a S&W he could not have removed the shells one at a time as reported by the witnesses at the scene.

The man was NOT Lee Oswald and the gun was NOT a Smith & Wesson....... 

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2019, 05:47:07 PM »
There is no conflict. Both claims can be correct. People aren't always accurate and 100% complete in their recollections, in every conversation.

Perhaps you would have had a valid point if the bus stop had been a mile or so away, but it wasn't. It was nearly in front of the roominghouse.

Both claims can be correct.

It appears that in your world "she saw him run off the porch to the left and that was the last time she saw him" can also mean that "she saw him at the bus stop just after the 1:00 news came on television.” (By the way the bus stop is in front of the house to the right as you run off the porch.)

It appears that in your world left means right, and last time means last time other than the next time. If I remember correctly you are also the one who argued that even though Wesley Frazier told an untruth, that didn't mean that he lied.

Did Alice tell you these things (when she was ten feet tall)? ::)

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2019, 05:54:41 PM »
This brings up something that Mrs Robert's said.....  Mrs Roberts said that he was in his "shirt sleeves" when he arrived at the rooming house at 1:00pm.....

My grandmother used those same words when she was referring to a man wearing an undershirt....without another garment ( jacket or sleeved shirt)

It's possible that Lee had already removed his sport shirt and thus Mrs Roberts saw him wearing his undershirt when he arrived at the house.

According to vocabulary.com:

“"in your shirtsleeves" means you are not wearing anything over your shirt”

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2019, 06:16:19 PM »
According to vocabulary.com:

“"in your shirtsleeves" means you are not wearing anything over your shirt”

That's probably true.... But back in the day... 50, or 60, or 70 years ago not everybody was well educated, and used a dictionary to learn the meaning of a word.... They used like "car"  to mean any conveyance like a street car, or a carriage.....  but not many folks today know that.   The word "car" now means an automobile.  And many folks used the "N" word to describe a negro.... There was nothing derogatory or obscene about the word.   ( Remember "Huckleberry Finn?.. What did Jim call himself?  ) ....   

So old Mrs Roberts probably was referring to seeing Lee in his T shirt when he arrived at the rooming house.....IMO