Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[Tom Scully]

And this was the point I was trying to make.The timings from Oawald leaving the TSBD and being arrested are not clear. It only takes for a few minutes to accrue to afford Oswald the possibility of being at the Tippit murder scene. Then the eye witnesses come into play and despite all the claims of posters claiming Oswald is innocent, they are quite substantial. I haven't seen enough evidence in this thread to acquit Oswald. If I was on a jury I would need a lot more than has been presented here by his defenders.

I also feel the same way about the assassination.

You seem to be assuming a "preponderance of the evidence," standard. This is not reasonable. Is there no penalty for failing to keep the accused alive while in custody? Should I infer nothing from that failure, aside from it preventing the ability to present an adequate defense, even if the defendant wanted to? Shouldn't that failure be prejudicial against the prosecution, in any way beneficial to the late accused?

Neither a defendant or a jury is under any obligation to establish innocence or to attempt or justify acquittal. There is no requirement of the defendant than to answer a criminal charge with a plea and submit to the authority of the court.... show up for court proceedings as ordered but the judge must instruct jury to make no inference of guilt or innocence if a defendant simply observes prosecutors present the state's arguments, witness testimony, and other evidence.

I have only purchased one firearm in my entire life, in 2017, but I have in my home because of that recent purchase, boxes of bullets, gun oil, gun cleaning kit, rifle clips, and various receipts for those purchases from six vendors other than the one from the original firearm purchase. I've yet to ever fire the thing, but it is oiled and loaded with a round in the chamber, next to my bed. Klein's sporting goods evidently did not include a "stripper" clip with the rifle purchase. I proved in 2015 that the postal money order is not suspect, except possibly its one day transit from mailing in Dallas to alleged receipt in Chicago by Klein's.
The revolver was a c.o.d. purchase and the government has provided no evidence of how the deliverer, Railway Express was paid or how or if Oswald was notified that it had arrived in Dallas.... to my understanding, there are only various CT speculative scenarios of how that revolver got from Seaport Traders into Oswald's hands.

The less available than usual "stripper" clip and cartridges found in the TSBD rifle and empty on the floor have never been sourced from a point of sale.
Not understanding where there was a reasonable explanation influencing removal of my reasonable doubt, Driver Whaley and Mrs. Roberts at the rooming house raised more doubts as to their reliability than they eliminated. Mrs. Roberts exhibited no realiable sense of time and her employer, Gladys Johnson described her as a teller of tall tales. Mrs. Roberts' sister Bertha testified of her own recent attempt to partner in an investment with Jack Ruby.

Even aside from the name "Drittal," which no one can retrieve as an actual example of a viable name despite modern resources like SSDI search, ancestry dot com, familysearch dot com, the closes match I could find happens to be the maiden name, "Drittel" of the wife of an NSA officer whose name was John B Hurt.






Hidell was the name of the secretary of the V.P. of the Confederate States of America. The nickname of that V.P, Hidell served under was "little Alec". Males of Oswald's family were named after Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Full text of "Alexander H Stephens" - Internet Archive
https://archive.org/stream/alexanderhstephe002607mbp/alexanderhstephe002607mbp_djvu.txt
Unofficially he had a secretary, a young man named William Hidell, whom he ...... in a carriage said: "Little Alec will surely die when this excitement is passed.

Family relationship of Lee Harvey Oswald and General Robert ...
https://famouskin.com › famous-kin-chart › kin=4640+robert+e+lee
Genealogy chart showing how Lee Harvey Oswald (Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy) is the 5th cousin 5 ... Lee Harvey Oswald Robert E. Lee ...

The Tomb Of Robert E. Lee Oswald, Father Of Lee Harvey ...
https://www.luckybeantours.com/the-tomb-of-robert-e-lee-oswald-father-of-lee-harvey-oswald/name=9730+lee+harvey+oswald&kin=4640+robert+e+lee&via=24867+john+carter
Jan 2, 2017 - It has been said that Oswald's troubles began two months before his birth in 1939, when his father, Robert E. Lee Oswald, died of a sudden ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_doubt
...The prosecution in criminal matters typically bears the burden of proof and is required to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. This means that in order for a defendant to be found guilty the case presented by the prosecution must be enough to remove any reasonable doubt in the mind of the jury that the defendant is guilty of the crime with which they are charged. The term "reasonable doubt" can be criticised for having a circular definition. Therefore, jurisdictions reliant on this standard of proof often rely on additional or supplemental measures, such as specific jury directions, which simplify or qualify what is meant by a "reasonable doubt" (see below for examples). The principle for the requirement that a criminal case to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt (as opposed to on the balance of probabilities) can be traced to Blackstone's formulation that "t is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer", i.e. if there is any doubt that a person is guilty, it is better that they be acquitted than to risk an innocent person being convicted....

[Walt Cakebread]

The eyewitnesses who identified Oswald and confirmed he was carrying a gun

Mr. BALL. And what did you see the man doing?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. And how was he holding the gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. We used to say in the Marine Corps in a raised pistol position.

Mr. BALL. What did you see him doing?
Mr. GUINYARD. He came through there running and knocking empty shells out of his pistol and he had it up just like this with his hand.
Mr. BALL. With which hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. With his right hand; just kicking them out.
Mr. BALL. He had it up?

Mr. B.M. PATTERSON, 4635 Hartford Street, Dallas, Texas, currently employed by Wyatt's Cafeteria, 2647 South Lancaster, Dallas, Texas, advised he was present at the used car lot of JOHNNY REYNOLDS' on the afternoon of November 22, 1963.

PATTERSON advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, he was standing on JONNY REYNOLDS' used car lot together with L.J. LEWIS and HAROLD RUSSELL when they heard shots coming from the vicinity of 10th and Patton Avenue, Dallas, Texas. A minute or so later they observed a white male approximately 30 years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying what appeared to be a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload same while running.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see this man's face that had the gun in his hand?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Very good.

HAROLD RUSSELL, employee, Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he was standing on the lot of Reynolds Used Cars together with L.J. LEWIS and PAT PATTERSON, at which time they heard shots come from the vicinity of Patton and Tenth Street, and a few seconds later they observed a young white man running south on Patton Avenue carrying a pistol or revolver which the individual was attempting to either reload or place in his belt line.

Mr. BELIN - All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES - That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it

Mr. BALL. Which way?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards Jefferson, right across that way.
Mr. DULLES. Did he have the pistol in his hand at this time?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had the gun when I saw him.

Mr. BELIN. Did he have anything in his hand?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He had a pistol in his left hand.

The Police Officers who were confronted with the murdering Oswald.

Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?
Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.
Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?
Mr. WALKER. The revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.

Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was at this time simultaneously trying to hold this person's right hand. Somehow this person moved his right hand to his waist, and I saw a revolver come out, and McDonald was holding on to it with his right hand, and this gun was waving up toward the back of the seat like this.

Oswald even admitted carrying his revolver.

Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested.


Mr. McCLOY. Was it a sharpshooter's or a marksman's? There are two different types, you know.
Mr. HOSTY. I believe it was a sharpshooter, sir. He then told Captain Fritz that he had been living at 1026 North Beckley, that is in Dallas, Tex., at 1026 North Beckley under the name O. H. Lee and not under his true name.
Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 22d of November 1963, where he had been employed since the 15th of October. Oswald told Captain Fritz that he was a laborer in this building and had access to the entire building. It had offices on the first and second floors with storage on third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors.
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he went to lunch at approximately noon on the 22d of November, ate his lunch in the lunchroom, and had gone and gotten a Coca Cola from the Coca Cola machine to have with his lunch. He claimed that he was in the lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed the building.
He was asked why he left the School Book Depository that day, and he stated that in all the confusion he was certain that there would be no more work for the rest of the day, that everybody was too upset, there was too much confusion, so he just decided that there would be no work for the rest of the day and so he went home. He got on a bus and went home. He went to his residence on North Beckley, changed his clothes, and then went to a movie.
Captain Fritz asked him if he always carried a pistol when he went to the movie, and he said he carried it because he felt like it. He admitted that he did have a pistol on him at the time of his arrest, in this theatre, in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas. He further admitted that he had resisted arrest and had received a bump and a cut as a result of his resisting of arrest. He then denied that he had killed Officer Tippit or President Kennedy.


Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.

JohnM

Mr Mytton....You omitted the important pat of Dom Benavides testimony....

Mr. BELIN - All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES - That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it

Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I seen the man turn and walk back to the sidewalk and go on the sidewalk and he walked maybe 5 foot and then kind of stalled. He didn't exactly stop. And he threw one shell and must have took five or six more steps and threw the other shell up, and then he kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner.

It should be perfectly clear that the man did NOT unload his revolver in the manner a Smith & Wesson revolver is unloaded....  He unloaded the spent shells  ONE- AT - A- TIME .......Whereas the S&W is unloaded by pushing the ejector rod and emptying all shells at once.

[Walt Cakebread]

I haven't seen enough evidence in this thread to acquit Oswald. If I was on a jury I would need a lot more than has been presented here by his defenders.

You seem to think that it is the task of a juror to assume somebody guilty unless his innocence is proven. It that's the way you think it works, you should never serve on a jury and move to Salem as quickly as possible.

LOL!.......  Mr Hardaker would probably feel at home in North Korea.    A place where if the government says that you've committed a crime ....Then you are guilty and must prove that you are not ( an impossible task)

[Walt Cakebread]

Correct.  The police are lying, not Oswald.   

Bill, when it's all said and done, these clowns here just can't accept the fact that the cop-killing Oswald got exactly what he deserved.

Correct.  The police are lying, not Oswald.      There's a huge difference..... Between the police who are charged with working with the evidence and the FACTS, and the accused who may have legitimate reason for keeping information he possesses a secret.

Lee Oswald was trying to keep his status as a government agent a secret.  I would remind you that Dulles stated that he would expect an agent to lie, even under oath. 

There is no legitimate reason for Henry Wade, the District Attorney to boldly lie and tell reporters that Lee Oswald's prints had been found on the rifle.....

Now then...What was it you were saying about it's ok for the police to lie......

[Bill Chapman]

Correct.  The police are lying, not Oswald.   

Bill, when it's all said and done, these clowns here just can't accept the fact that the cop-killing Oswald got exactly what he deserved.

No, (an if-guilty) Oswald deserved the chair and the enormous stress leading up to it... not a surprise attack that left him no time for regrets.

Edit: (an-if-guilty)
12:42am EST

[John Iacoletti]

Gee, a cop repeats a story that his fellow “blue wall of silence” cop told him.

How unusual. 

[John Mytton]

Gee, a cop repeats a story that his fellow “blue wall of silence” cop told him.

How unusual. 

Not only cops, Brewer saw a gun in Oswald's hand and with all the commotion couldn't see where the gun came from, but since the same story is corroborated we know what happened. Now I suppose Brewer lied too, how much BS was going down that day?

Mr. BREWER - Oswald hit McDonald first, and he knocked him to the seat.
Mr. BELIN - Who knocked who?
Mr. BREWER - He knocked McDonald down. McDonald fell against one of the seats. And then real quick he was back up.
Mr. BELIN - When you say he was----
Mr. BREWER - McDonald was back up. He just knocked him down for a second and he was back up. And I jumped off the stage and was walking toward that, and I saw this gun come up and----in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see from where the gun came?
Mr. BREWER - No.

JohnM