First shot reactions

[Andrew Mason]

Sure. Bretzner said "I heard at least two shots fired" which means he likely heard more. If he lost track of one, it was because he had less or no reason to remember it. Another sign that a bat-s--t-crazy theory has imploded is when the theorist starts mining the Forum.

I said that you were insisting that Betzner heard but did not recall that there was a first loud noise before his z186 photo i.e he forgot about it.  Your answer above just confirms that.  And you have been saying the same thing for years.  That's pretty much all I have to say.

[Andrew Mason]

    For the record, Jimmy McGill attended law school and did receive a law license.

He did not attend law school in the sense that: "he did not attend as in being physically present at".  In any event, his degree was from a fictitious on-line law school.  No one can be admitted practice law in Canada by getting a law degree by correspondence.  I believe in the U.S. only California recognizes an online law degree.

[Charles Collins]

The narrow shape of her head in Z144 doesn't seem consistent with her head being turned to her right.

I would go a frame further (to Z139) as saying she is looking straight ahead. Frames 140-143 have blur or indistinct features. We can't say which way she's looking.

The Lightbox frames show flesh tone Z144-147.









Her shoulders and torso change because her left arm extends as she runs. So the only window where she could have turned her head rightward and then forward again is Z140 to Z143.



I believe her head position doesn't change during this sequence.

The narrow shape of her head in Z144 doesn't seem consistent with her head being turned to her right.




Really??

Her shoulders and torso change because her left arm extends as she runs.

Even girls don't run like that...

So the only window where she could have turned her head rightward and then forward again is Z140 to Z143.


She doesn't turn her head back forward until the early z200s.

[Charles Collins]

The hood opening doesn't match. If the hood opening is narrow, the hood itself will be too wide to be comparable to Z144.

What you're contending is a hood opening in Z144 is shadow on the right side of her face. Z144 exhibits a tonal change in the head area that's darker than her jacket. A frame later it becomes obvious that she's facing forward.

Her left arm comes forward and crosses in front of her in one motion while she's in shade and as she emerges. I think some people move their arms when they're running.

Funny that her hood exhibits flesh tone in some of the frames.

The hood opening doesn't match. If the hood opening is narrow, the hood itself will be too wide to be comparable to Z144.

The hood is not a rigid shape. It is fabric clothing and conforms to the shape of the person inside it, along with other forces such as the wind, gravity, movement, etc. Also the angles involved are most likely not the exact same ones in both photos.

What you're contending is a hood opening in Z144 is shadow on the right side of her face. Z144 exhibits a tonal change in the head area that's darker than her jacket. A frame later it becomes obvious that she's facing forward.

Here is the next frame:


The main difference I see is that the hood appears a little wider which would counter your initial objection (that it appears too narrow).


Her left arm comes forward and crosses in front of her in one motion while she's in shade and as she emerges. I think some people move their arms when they're running.


First her head turns to her right while she is still in the shadows. Then her shoulders follow the head and swing to her right along with the upper torso. The left arm follows the left shoulder as she emerges into the sunlight.

Funny that her hood exhibits flesh tone in some of the frames.

No, however I do see what might be a shadow streak (that isn't blazing white) that is around the base of the neck and chest area. I might guess that it could be the shadow from a limb. Here is frame z216, it shows her facial flesh tones, and darker hair, surrounded by the white hood (which is what I would expect to see in z144 and z145 if her head was facing forward). The white jacket shows patches of bright white because she is standing in an area where some sunlight is shining through what I would assume to be branches of a tree. Notice the difference in the flesh tones of her face, hands, and legs as compared to the darker (shaded) areas of the white jacket. I think you might be mistaking what appears to me to be shaded white for flesh tones in z144 and z145. And the very front part of Rosemary's face and darker hair can clearly be seen on the camera left of her hood in z144.

[Andrew Mason]

The narrow shape of her head in Z144 doesn't seem consistent with her head being turned to her right.

I know you don't think it means anything, but it is interesting that Rosemary Willis suddenly turns her head back toward the TSBD from z202 to about z206. That couldn't be because she thought she had just heard the loud noise (but didn't of course) that she said prompted her to look back at the TSBD where she saw pigeons flying from the roof - the same noise that her father also thought he heard (but obviously didn't) just before he took his z202 photo.

[Gary Craig]

[Andrew Mason]

Hey Jerry:  As I mentioned earlier and as this memo shows, in early 1964 they had figured out the correct shot sequence.  The "bat-shit crazy theory" was SBT.