CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #294 on: July 16, 2019, 09:03:41 PM »
Martin, this is not rocket science:
 
A) Norman told us what he heard (3 BOOMS, each accompanied in short order by 3 corresponding double clicks.
B) Brennan and Euins saw a shooter and a rifle in that window, being aimed downrange.
C) A number of others saw part of what most assuredly must have been a rifle, given the aforementioned ear & eyewitness reports.

Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the rifle explode? Did you see the flash of what was either the second or the third shot?
Mr. BRENNAN. No.
Mr. McCLOY. Could you see that he had discharged the rifle?
Mr. BRENNAN. No. For some reason I did not get an echo at any time. The first shot was positive and clear and the last shot was positive and dear, with no echo on my part.
Mr. McCLOY. Yes. But you saw him aim?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes.
Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the rifle discharge, did you see the recoil or the flash?
Mr. BRENNAN. No.
Mr. McCLOY. But you heard the last shot.
Mr. BRENNAN. The report; yes, sir.

If you don't see a shot, then you don't see a "shooter".

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #295 on: July 16, 2019, 09:04:53 PM »
You can call John and I arrogant as much as you like, but in this instance I was right and you were wrong! Live with it!

Chapman thinks that "thought" is some kind of insult.

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #296 on: July 16, 2019, 09:08:28 PM »
Strike another argument. 

Mr. BELIN - What did you do on the roof?
Mr. BAKER - I immediately went around all the sides of the ledges up there, and after I got on top I found out that a person couldn't shoot off that roof because when you stand up you have to put your hands like this, at the top of that ledge and if you wanted to see over you would have to tiptoe to see over it.

...and this makes such a shot impossible...how, exactly?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #297 on: July 16, 2019, 09:10:43 PM »
   No, not Ronald McDonald, and not a Big Mac. This pothead was so high he left his Dr. Pepper along with his bag of chicken bones. The pothead admits he was on the Sixth Floor, he admits it was his pop and bag of chicken bones and says no one else was present there while he ate his lunch.

Why are you calling BRW "pothead".  Confusing him with Givens, perhaps?

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #298 on: July 16, 2019, 09:12:25 PM »
Actually Jack Dougherty was on the 6th floor after BRW departed the SN a few minutes before the shots.
He said he went to the 6th floor AFTER the shots were fired. He said he was on the fifth floor at the time that he heard shots fired. Neither Jarman, Norman or Williams mentioned seeing him there.

From his affidavit: "I had already gone back to work and I gone down on the fifth [sic] to get some stock when I heard a shot. It sounded like it was coming from inside the building, but I couldn't tell from where. I went down on the first floor, and asked a man named Eddie Piper if he had heard anything and he said yes, that he had heard three shots. I then went back on the sixth floor."

And from his WC testimony he said he went to the 6th floor at 12:40.

Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, then, [after eating lunch on the first floor] I went back to work.
Mr. BALL - And where did you go to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Let me see---oh, up to the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - Did you go to the sixth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - About what time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - At about 12:40---it was about 12:40.
Mr. BALL - Had you heard any shots before that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes---I heard one---it sounded like a backfire.
Mr. BALL - Where were you when you heard that shot?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I was on the fifth floor.
Mr. BALL - You were on the fifth floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.

 



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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #299 on: July 16, 2019, 09:22:38 PM »
Dougherty is all over the place with regard to time.

Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you go to lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I went back downstairs to eat lunch---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, it was 12 o'clock.

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Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you hear the shots before or after you had your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Before---before I ate my lunch.
Mr. BALL - You heard shots before you ate your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Let's see---yes, I believe I did.

Offline Tom Scully

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #300 on: July 16, 2019, 10:27:03 PM »
Dougherty is all over the place with regard to time.

Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you go to lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I went back downstairs to eat lunch---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, it was 12 o'clock.
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Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you hear the shots before or after you had your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Before---before I ate my lunch.
Mr. BALL - You heard shots before you ate your lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Let's see---yes, I believe I did.

Not directed at John Iacoletti who works harder here than any other poster to actually hold posters to accountability for their actually unsupported assumptions and opinions.

WCR defenders deviate from the deliberations resulting in the WCR, taking advantage by citing Dougherty because the WC did not disclose in the WCR for privacy grounds the ample evidence Dougherty was mentally retarded to the point of confusion. I presented proof he repaired furniture at Goodwill Industries immediately before Truly hired him at TSBD.



Instead of pursuing his military record his own father told the FBI resulted in his early discharge, in wartime, as a result of mental and emotional impairment, the WCR defenders repeatedly emphasize Dougherty's assigned TSBD responsibilities associated with the heating and fire sprinkler systems. Those assignments are lacking specifics compared to what his boss Truly and his own father described about Jack's limitations.

Impairment disclosed in WCR:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136&relPageId=638

Winning an argument at the expense of the apparent truth is the actual point. Amost all posters here are habitually unresponsive to new, well supported research in favor of rehashing ad infinitum the SoS gray with age that so far has resolved nothing. If it ain't a 55 year old dead end, why even indicate the slighted interest in well supported new research?

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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490&relPageId=781
4. Commission Document 87 - Secret Service report of 08 Jan 1964 re: Oswald, pg 781
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
Truly furnished the information 'that, although Dougherty is a very good employee and a hard worker, he is mentally retarded and has difficulty in remembering

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