Wrapper or Rifle?

[Colin Crow]

Bill, no one said they found a rifle in the same corner. All Sims could remember was some loose paper. Johnson was stationed where the lunch sack was. Studebaker returned and processed the lunch sack and pop bottle. Then the both moved to the SN corner joining Montgomery.

I maintain that......

Sims response was in answer to the question about Johnson's presence, not the paper.

"Yes, sir; when the wrapper was found Captain Fritz stationed Montgomery to observe the scene there where the hulls were found." This response is somewhat nonsensical as the wrapper and shells were eventually "found" in the same place. Someone observing the shells would automatically be in a position to observe the bag.

As for Texan drawl.....all I can offer is this....

"Mr. SIMS. I was born and raised here in Dallas and I went to school--grade school in Dallas, but moved out to a little city called Hutchins, south of Dallas, and finished my education out there, and joined the Navy when I was 17, and was discharged when I was 21, and I came to work down here when I was 23."

Many witnesses waived the rights to read their testimony, as did Sims.

"Mr. BELIN. Do you want to read this deposition, or are you going to sign the other deposition?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; just go ahead.
Mr. BELIN. Ship it on in?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, thank you, sir."

Any more research I can do for you?

Well Bill? Strange to see so many LN supporters look at this thread and so few offer an opinion. Nearly 350 views, I wonder what JohnM might claim to be a reasonable sample size?

[Ross Lidell]

The following is part of the WC transcript that is available from......http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sims.htm and here...https://www.jfk-assassination.eu/warren/wch/vol7/page162.php. I don't have access to the original volumes at present so I do not know if it relates to the original transcript.

During his testimony Detective Sims relates this.....

Mr. Ball.
You said you finished there, did you see anything of significance there besides these hulls and the rifle?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Did you ever see a paper bag?
Mr. Sims.
Well, we saw some wrappings--a brown wrapping there.
Mr. Ball.
Where did you see it?
Mr. Sims.
It was there by the hulls.
Mr. Ball.
Was it right there near the hulls?
Mr. Sims.
As well as I remember--of course, I didn't pay too much attention at that time, but it was, I believe, by the east side of where the boxes were piled up---that would be a guess--I believe that's where it was.
Mr. Ball.
On the east side of where the boxes were would that be the east?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; it was right near the stack of boxes there. I know there was some loose paper there.
Mr. Ball.
Was Johnson there?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; when the wrapper was found Captain Fritz stationed Montgomery to observe the scene there where the hulls were found.
Mr. Ball.
To stay there?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
That was Marvin Johnson and L. D. Montgomery who stayed by the hulls?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; they did. I was going back and forth, from the wrapper to the hulls.

I suggest that Sims actually said "rifle" instead of "wrapper" on those occasions indicated in bold. The change possibly due to a strong Texan accent. Would anyone disagree?

The hulls and wrapper were so close together: Back and forth does not make sense. Going back and forth from the SE corner (location of hulls) of the TSBD to the NW corner (location of rifle) fits the description.

Regarding this Subject: Stick a fork in it... it's done.

[Bill Chapman]

Well Bill? Strange to see so many LN supporters look at this thread and so few offer an opinion. Nearly 350 views, I wonder what JohnM might claim to be a reasonable sample size?

Why ask me

[Colin Crow]

Why ask me

Just wondering if you saw that Sims did not read his testimony, as you enquired.....etc.

[Colin Crow]

The hulls and wrapper were so close together: Back and forth does not make sense. Going back and forth from the SE corner (location of hulls) of the TSBD to the NW corner (location of rifle) fits the description.

Regarding this Subject: Stick a fork in it... it's done.

Thanks Ross. Perhaps we can now move on.

[Bill Chapman]

Agree Bill, I too have seen the odd transcription error. Glad you raised Johnson, he provides the best clues for timing of the wrapper's discovery.

Are you a convertee? Have you been convinced?

So you need to convince somebody of something? Feeling powerless at all, Colin?

[Bill Chapman]

Just wondering if you saw that Sims did not read his testimony, as you enquired.....etc.

I confirmed that later

Give us a time you figure the gun bag was discovered