CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Jack Trojan]

The hulls were there before Fritz was at the scene....  Mooney said that he spotted the spent shells and then notified the officers on the street below by calling down to them....

According to Deputy Sheriff Faulkner, Deputy Sheriff Mooney, & Tom Alyea, Fritz walked over to the 3 hulls in a tight grouping near the window in the SN and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and put them in his pocket. He later returned to the SN with a rookie cop to photograph the crime scene, then tossed the hulls onto the floor in the staged (more favorable) arrangement you see in the photo. What crime scene detective leading an investigation of the crime of the century would do that?

[Colin Crow]

According to Deputy Sheriff Faulkner, Deputy Sheriff Mooney, & Tom Alyea, Fritz walked over to the 3 hulls in a tight grouping near the window in the SN and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and put them in his pocket. He later returned to the SN with a rookie cop to photograph the crime scene, then tossed the hulls onto the floor in the staged (more favorable) arrangement you see in the photo. What crime scene detective leading an investigation of the crime of the century would do that?

From Luke Mooney Oral History with Sixth Floor Museum

Gary: Fritz was there? You saw Fritz down there?
Luke: (0:19:58) (nodding) Yeah, Will Fritz was there. So, here they came with all
that bunch of men behind him (chuckling)… that worked for him in vice and there was
four or five of them. And so, here they come, and he was the first man… I told him how
to come in. I was standing over there and sealed it off to let nobody in there, and he came
on over there. And he was the first man who reached down and picked up one of the
spent shells to see what caliber it was and then laid it back down in the exact spot, and so,
I left him then and Gene Boone… we had sent for some searchlights because we didn’t
have no lights. It wasn’t real dark up there because of the window light… daylight, but
anyway, we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets. So, when we got
the searchlights, them little ‘ole hand lights—they sent them across the street from the
sheriff’s office—we was standing there, and Boone had the light in his hand. And he
shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle. So, one of Will
Fritz’s men was the one that pulled the gun out.

[Walt Cakebread]

From Luke Mooney Oral History with Sixth Floor Museum

Gary: Fritz was there? You saw Fritz down there?
Luke: (0:19:58) (nodding) Yeah, Will Fritz was there. So, here they came with all
that bunch of men behind him (chuckling)… that worked for him in vice and there was
four or five of them. And so, here they come, and he was the first man… I told him how
to come in. I was standing over there and sealed it off to let nobody in there, and he came
on over there. And he was the first man who reached down and picked up one of the
spent shells to see what caliber it was and then laid it back down in the exact spot, and so,
I left him then and Gene Boone… we had sent for some searchlights because we didn’t
have no lights. It wasn’t real dark up there because of the window light… daylight, but
anyway, we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets. So, when we got
the searchlights, them little ‘ole hand lights—they sent them across the street from the
sheriff’s office—we was standing there, and Boone had the light in his hand. And he
shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle. So, one of Will
Fritz’s men was the one that pulled the gun out.

we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets. So, when we got
the searchlights, them little ‘ole hand lights—they sent them across the street from the
sheriff’s office—we was standing there, and Boone had the light in his hand. And he
shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle.

Very interesting post, Mr Crow..... Mooney confirms several points about how Boone and Weitzman discovered the rifle....

 Mooney said that it wasn't dark in the area because the sunlight shining in illuminated the area....BUT... "we needed some searchlights to shine between them pallets."   ..... "Boone had the light in his hand. And he shined it up in there, and so, that’s when we seen the butt of the rifle."

You've seen the official in situ photos....Is the carcano between any pallets in the photos?....And  would Boone have needed a search light to see the rifle as it is seen in the in situ photos?   Weitzman said that he was down on the floor looking beneath a pallet when he and Boone spotted the rifle lying on the floor beneath a pallet with boxes of books stacked on top ... There was a gap between rows of boxes and at least one box on top of the gap which covered the span between the rows.

Boone moved that box that was covering the top of the cavern and shined his light down into the dark recess...anf he saw a small portion of the butt of the rifle beneath the pallet....Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle and recorded that it was 15 feet 4 inches from the wall....The rifle in the in situ photos is about 13 feet from the noth wall....

Clearly the official in situ photos are not accurate....But the "investigators" ( conspirators) had to put that rifle closer to the aisle at the top of the stairs so the evidence would support their tale about their patsy charging by the area and hastily dumping the rifle.

[Walt Cakebread]

According to Deputy Sheriff Faulkner, Deputy Sheriff Mooney, & Tom Alyea, Fritz walked over to the 3 hulls in a tight grouping near the window in the SN and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and put them in his pocket. He later returned to the SN with a rookie cop to photograph the crime scene, then tossed the hulls onto the floor in the staged (more favorable) arrangement you see in the photo. What crime scene detective leading an investigation of the crime of the century would do that?

I believe that Mooney spotted only TWO spent shells....  Later when the "investigators" ( conspirators) realized that the witnesses were reporting hearing THREE shots they added a third shell.....And it very well could have been Fritz who was using a little prestidigitation who added the third shell.....As you've posted here.

[Jerry Freeman]

 

I believe that Mooney spotted only TWO spent shells....

Three spent shells in all were [reportedly] found at the 'Sniper's Nest' therefore only three shots were fired at the President. With remarkably incredible logic like that..it's a wonder more crimes aren't solved.

[Walt Cakebread]

  Three spent shells in all were [reportedly] found at the 'Sniper's Nest' therefore only three shots were fired at the President. With remarkably incredible logic like that..it's a wonder more crimes aren't solved.

I believe that there were only TWO spent shells when Mooney discovered the hidden loafers nook.....( they imagined it to be a "sniper's nest") but it wasn't long before they realized that the original two shot scenario could not be sustained, because witnesses were reporting hearing more than two shots, and more that two bullet strikes were being reported.  Fritz added a third spent shell when he picked up two and threw down three.....

The original hoax scenario called for Lee Oswald to have shot twice at JFK and missed.......So there were only two shells planted beneath the window....

There were at least five bullet strikes .....four in the Lincoln, three stuck the victims....and another hit the chrome molding near the rear view mirror....and another hit the ground near the sewer cover....   and James Teague was struck by a bullet, or a fragment.

[Zeon Mason]

Aynesworth's book was published in 2013. 50 years after the actual event and 12 years after Wade died at age 86.

So where did the "quote" come from?   

Btw;

Mr. EISENBERG. So as of November 23, you had not found an identifiable print on Exhibit 139?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.
Mr. EISENBERG. I now hand you a small white card marked with certain initials and with a date, "11-22-63." There is a cellophane wrapping, cellophane tape across this card with what appears to be a fingerprint underneath it, and the handwriting underneath that tape is "off underside of gun barrel near end of foregrip C 2766," which I might remark parenthetically is the serial number of Exhibit 139. I ask you whether you are familiar with this item which I hand you, this card?
Mr. LATONA. Yes; I am familiar with this particular exhibit.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can you describe to us what that exhibit consists of, that item rather?
Mr. LATONA. This exhibit Or this item is a lift of a latent palmprint which was evidently developed with black powder.
Mr. EISENBERG. And when did you receive this item?
Mr. LATONA. I received this item November 29, 1963.

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Mr. EISENBERG. Who did you get this exhibit, this lift from?
Mr. LATONA. This lift was referred to us by the FBI Dallas office.
Mr. EISENBERG. And were you told anything about its origin?
Mr. LATONA. We were advised that this print had been developed by the Dallas Police Department, and, as the lift itself indicates, from the underside of the gun barrel near the end of the foregrip.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, may I say for the record that at a subsequent point we will have the testimony of the police officer of the Dallas police who developed this print, and made the lift; and I believe that the print was taken from underneath the portion of the barrel which is covered by the stock. Now, did you attempt to identify this print which shows on the lift Exhibit 637?
Mr. LATONA. Yes; I did.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you succeed in making identification?
Mr. LATONA. On the basis of my comparison, I did effect an identification.
Mr. EISENBERG. And whose print was that, Mr. Latona?
Mr. LATONA. The palmprint which appears on the lift was identified by me as the right palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, Mr. Latona, as I understand it, on November 23, therefore, the FBI had not succeeded in making an identification of a fingerprint or palmprint on the rifle, but several days later by virtue of the receipt of this lift, which did not come with the weapon originally, the FBI did succeed in identifying a print on Exhibit 139?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.
Mr. EISENBERG. Which may explain any inconsistent or apparently inconsistent statements, which I believe appeared in the press, as to an identification?
Mr. LATONA. We had no personal knowledge of any palmprint having been developed on the rifle. The only prints that we knew of were the fragmentary prints which I previously pointed out had been indicated by the cellophane on the trigger guard. There was no indication on this rifle as to the existence of any other prints. This print which indicates it came from the underside of the gun barrel, evidently the lifting had been so complete that there was nothing left to show any marking on the gun itself as to the existence of such even an attempt on the part of anyone else to process the rifle.


Mr. BELIN. The wood. You removed the wood, and then underneath the wood is where you found the print?
Mr. DAY. On the bottom side of the barrel which was covered by the wood, I found traces of a palmprint. I dusted these and tried lifting them, the prints, with scotch tape in the usual manner. A faint palmprint came off. I could still see traces of the print under the barrel and was going to try to use photography to bring off or bring out a better print. About this time I received instructions from the chief's office to go no further with the processing, it was to be released to the FBI for them to complete. I did not process the underside of the barrel under the scopic sight, did not get to this area of the gun.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know what Commission Exhibit No. 637 is?
Mr. DAY. This is the trace of palmprint I lifted off of the barrel of the gun after I had removed the wood.
Mr. BELIN. Does it have your name on it or your handwriting?
Mr. DAY. It has the name "J. C. Day," and also "11/22/63" written on it in my writing off the underside gun barrel near the end of foregrip, C-2766.
Mr. BELIN. When you lift a print is it then harder to make a photograph of that print after it is lifted or doesn't it make any difference?
Mr. DAY. It depends. If it is a fresh print, and by fresh I mean hadn't been there very long and dried, practically all the print will come off and there will be nothing left. If it is an old print, that is pretty well dried, many times you can still see it after the lift. In this case I could still see traces of print on that barrel.
Mr. BELIN. Did you do anything with the other prints or partial prints that you said you thought you saw?
Mr. DAY. I photographed them only. I did not try to lift them.
Mr. BELIN. Do you have those photographs, sir? I will mark the two photographs which you have just produced Commission Exhibits 720 and 721. I will ask you to state what these are.
Mr. DAY. These are prints or pictures, I should say, of the latent--of the traces of prints on the side of the magazine housing of the gun No. C-2766.
Mr. BELIN. Were those prints in such condition as to be identifiable, if you know?
Mr. DAY. No, sir; I could not make positive identification of these prints.

Now tell me, who was the expert that made the tentative match with Oswald on 11/22/63

Just wanted to point out here,that even IF it is true that Day lifted a print as he said, that by his own opinion here, the print was NOT a fresh print, because some of the print he could still see on the barrel after having lifted it with tape.

So even if it IS Oswalds MC rifle, that print on the barrel if it ever existed at all, could be weeks, or months old and thus NO proof that Oswald had assembled the rifle THAT DAY of Nov 22/63