Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2019, 01:48:13 PM »
Your point about chaos and priorities is well taken, Mr Crow!  Thumb1:

However... it is very odd IMO that Mr Brennan's quick, clear and highly specific information as to which window the gunman had fired from would have failed to result in someone checking out the window in question. Instead we get many minutes of aimless searching that culminates in a 'Hey look, guys, there's shells under this here window!' moment.

It almost seems as if not one witness pointed them to that window...

Cf Patrolman J. J. Hill's 12:37 dispatch:

"Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end."



Of course it couldn't have been the seventh floor window because that window was closed.....And it couldn't have been the sixth floor either because the boxes would have squeezed any gunman standing there too close to tghw window to aim a rifle from that window which would have allowed Brennan to see about 85% of the HIGH POWERED rifle. 

Therefore I believe that Brennan told the police that he's seen the man STANDING AND AIMING THE HIGH POWERED  rifle behind the WIDE OPEN window at the WEST end of the sixth floor..... And that's where Arnold Rowland saw the man ......     

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2019, 02:11:14 PM »
I'm not sure why Brennan is always singled out as the witness to which window the shots came from.  He is certainly an important witness since he gives his report within a few minutes and couldn't be influenced by later reports.  But Bob Jackson saw a rifle in that window and pointed it out to Couch who also saw it.  He did that at the moment of the assassination and not "after the fact."  He saw a "rifle" and not a "pipe" object.  There is no doubt that there was a person pointing a rifle out that window at the moment of the assassination.  To suggest otherwise is to be dishonest like claiming when Marina testified that she looked in the blanket and saw a "rifle" and responded dozens of times to questions about a "rifle" that she saw only something made of wood.  LOL.
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2019, 04:39:42 PM »
I'm not sure why Brennan is always singled out as the witness to which window the shots came from.  He is certainly an important witness since he gives his report within a few minutes and couldn't be influenced by later reports.

We don't know what Brennan may or may not have said "within a few minutes".

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  But Bob Jackson saw a rifle in that window and pointed it out to Couch who also saw it.

Jackson said "I saw the rifle, or what looked like a rifle approximately half of weapon, I guess I saw".  Couch said "And seeing about a foot of a rifle being - the barrel brought into the window. I saw no one in the window - just a quick 1-second glance at the barrel", and that was after Jackson said "there's the rifle", so it's not like it was an independent identification of an actual rifle.  Also keep in mind that these are recollections over 4 months later after the narrative was firmly planted in the American psyche.

Conclusion:  they caught a brief glimpse of something narrow sticking out of a window after hearing shots and assumed it was a rifle.  Just like Marina saw part of something in a rolled and tied blanket and assumed it was a rifle.  Ruth Paine tells us what Marina said to her before she mistranslated it to the police.

Mrs. PAINE - And she indicated to me that she had peered into this roll and saw a portion of what she took to be a gun she knew her husband to have, a rifle. And I then translated this to the officers that she knew that her husband had a gun that he had stored in here.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2019, 04:44:43 PM »
Incidentally, here's a photo I took from Brennan's position on a recent trip to Dealey Plaza.



Jackson and Couch would have been another half a block away.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2019, 05:14:06 PM »
We don't know what Brennan may or may not have said "within a few minutes".

Exactly, Mr Iacoletti----and the point applies to Mr Euins too, as well as to the witnesses (if neither Mr Brennan nor Mr Euins) who gave Patrolmen Hill & Brewer the information behind their 12:37 p.m. dispatches!

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2019, 05:17:45 PM »
Semi-on-topic question!

Mr Brennan, in his same-day affidavit, says:

"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."

What does "nice looking" mean here? Neat?

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2019, 05:57:17 PM »

In JAQer/CTer wonderland, it couldashouldawoulda been a curtain-rod 'something narrow' sticking out that window. Or maybe a yardstick.
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