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[Martin Weidmann]

A second investigation? Have you ever heard of the House Select Committee on Assassinations?

You're the one suggesting that a non-government investigation would be preferable. Why not explain why and then explain  how such an investigation would work? What possible materials could be gathered by a private entity that would have greater evidentiary value than materials gathered by law enforcement agencies?

A second investigation? Have you ever heard of the House Select Committee on Assassinations?

Of course I have heard of the HSCA and if you had read my earlier comments you would know that and not ask such silly question.

Btw.. did the HSCA conduct a full investigation from scratch or did they mainly re-examine the WC evidence?

You're the one suggesting that a non-government investigation would be preferable.

When and where did I suggest that?

What possible materials could be gathered by a private entity that would have greater evidentiary value than materials gathered by law enforcement agencies?

Where are you getting this BS? Who - except you - is talking about "greater evidentiary value"?

[Tim Nickerson]

You mean the HSCA investigation who said

 "The HSCA found that although the Commission and the different agencies and departments examining Kennedy's assassination performed in good faith and were thorough in their investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald, they performed with "varying degrees of competency" and the search for possible conspiracy was inadequate.:2 The HSCA determined, based on available evidence, that the probable conspiracy did not involve the governments of the Soviet Union or Cuba. The committee also stated that the conspiracy did not involve any organized crime group, anti-Castro group, nor the FBI, CIA, or Secret Service."

Yup.That's the one.

I. Findings of the Select Committee on Assassinations in the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Tex., November 22, 1963

Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy. The second and third shots he fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President.

President Kennedy was struck by two rifle shots fired from behind him.

The shots that struck President Kennedy from behind him were fired from the sixth floor window of the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository building.

Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle that was used to fire the shots from the sixth floor window of the southeast comer of the Texas School Book Depository building.

Lee Harvey Oswald, shortly before the assassination, had access to and was present on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building.

Lee Harvey Oswald's other actions tend to support the conclusion that he assassinated President Kennedy.

Seems your HSCA don't support your view that there was no conspiracy.

"Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations."

Ah yes, the acoustical evidence.

IV. Recommendations for further investigation

The Department of Justice should contract for the examination of a film taken by Charles L. Bronson to determine its significance if any, to the assassination of President Kennedy.

The National Institute of Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice of the Department of Justice and the National Science Foundation should make a study of the theory and application of the principles of acoustics to forensic questions, using the materials available in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy as a case study.

The Department of Justice should review the committee's findings and report in the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and after completion of the recommended investigation enumerated in sections A and B, analyze whether further official investigation is warranted in either case. The Department of Justice should report its analyses to the Judiciary Committee.

The National Research Council Committee on Ballistic Acoustics findings:

-The acoustic analyses do not demonstrate that there was a grassy knoll shot, and in particular there is no acoustic basis for the claim of 95% probability of such a shot.

- The acoustic impulses attributed to gunshots were recorded about one minute after the President had been shot and the motorcade had been instructed to go to the hospital.

- Therefore, reliable acoustic data do not support a conclusion that there was a second gunman.

[Ray Mitcham]

Yup.That's the one.

I. Findings of the Select Committee on Assassinations in the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Tex., November 22, 1963

Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy. The second and third shots he fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President.

President Kennedy was struck by two rifle shots fired from behind him.

The shots that struck President Kennedy from behind him were fired from the sixth floor window of the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository building.

Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle that was used to fire the shots from the sixth floor window of the southeast comer of the Texas School Book Depository building.

Lee Harvey Oswald, shortly before the assassination, had access to and was present on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building.

Lee Harvey Oswald's other actions tend to support the conclusion that he assassinated President Kennedy.

"Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations."

Ah yes, the acoustical evidence.

IV. Recommendations for further investigation

The Department of Justice should contract for the examination of a film taken by Charles L. Bronson to determine its significance if any, to the assassination of President Kennedy.

The National Institute of Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice of the Department of Justice and the National Science Foundation should make a study of the theory and application of the principles of acoustics to forensic questions, using the materials available in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy as a case study.

The Department of Justice should review the committee's findings and report in the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and after completion of the recommended investigation enumerated in sections A and B, analyze whether further official investigation is warranted in either case. The Department of Justice should report its analyses to the Judiciary Committee.

The National Research Council Committee on Ballistic Acoustics findings:

-The acoustic analyses do not demonstrate that there was a grassy knoll shot, and in particular there is no acoustic basis for the claim of 95% probability of such a shot.

- The acoustic impulses attributed to gunshots were recorded about one minute after the President had been shot and the motorcade had been instructed to go to the hospital.

- Therefore, reliable acoustic data do not support a conclusion that there was a second gunman.

Glad to see you agree with their conclusions, Richard. there was a conspiracy.

Or do you just want to cherry pick what they said?

[Tim Nickerson]

Glad to see you agree with their conclusions, Richard. there was a conspiracy.

Or do you just want to cherry pick what they said?

Ray, I'm not Richard.

[Tim Nickerson]

Glad to see you agree with their conclusions, Richard. there was a conspiracy.

Or do you just want to cherry pick what they said?

Ray, I do agree with their conclusions.  Do you? Or do you just want to cherry pick what they said?

FTR, they never said that there was a conspiracy. They said there was probably a conspiracy.

[Ray Mitcham]

You mean the HSCA investigation who said

 "The HSCA found that although the Commission and the different agencies and departments examining Kennedy's assassination performed in good faith and were thorough in their investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald, they performed with "varying degrees of competency" and the search for possible conspiracy was inadequate.:2 The HSCA determined, based on available evidence, that the probable conspiracy did not involve the governments of the Soviet Union or Cuba. The committee also stated that the conspiracy did not involve any organized crime group, anti-Castro group, nor the FBI, CIA, or Secret Service."

Seems your HSCA don't support your view that there was no conspiracy.

Ray, I do agree with their conclusions.  Do you? Or do you just want to cherry pick what they said?

FTR, they never said that there was a conspiracy. They said there was probably a conspiracy.

"The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."

[Tim Nickerson]

"The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."

Right. That's what I said.

Do you agree with the findings of the HSCA?  Or do you just want to cherry pick what they said?