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Author Topic: BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963  (Read 97477 times)

Offline Bill Chapman

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So Mr Chapman can't answer... No surprise there!  :D

Now! Anyone else want to have a try?

Why did Mr Jenner start with 270?

So Mr Chapman can't answer..
>>> You got my answer

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Giving Mr Oswald the benefit of the doubt?

How exactly?

How would Mr Oswald's fingerprints found on 2 curtain rods found in the Paine garage have bolstered the idea that he had brought them to the Depository on the morning of the assassination?

You're failing, Mr Chapman----------try to fail better next time!

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Are you saying they didn't dust for them

Offline Bill Chapman

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You and I have one thing in common, Mr Chapman
---------neither of us knows who shot JFK!

Frustrating, isn't it?

My money's on Dirty Harvey
You lot would choose him if faced with a heaven or hell choice

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Offline Alan Ford

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So Oswald's best defense was to lie about carrying a long bag [...]

Nope! His best defense was to tell Captain Fritz the true fact that he "went outside to watch P. Parade"----a claim that only came to light on 19 February 2019 when Agent Hosty's handwritten write-up of the first interrogation was made public. The Lone Nutter response to that was as incoherent as the Lone Nutter response to the present matter!  :D

But that wasn't enough to save Mr Oswald. He hadn't been set up as a shooter. He'd been set up as having brought a rifle to the Depository that morning. His carrying a long bulky package was----he now realised-----part of the frame. So he made a calculated decision to deny having brought anything in a long bulky package to work that day.

The above is, of course, predicated on the assumption that Mr Oswald didn't come straight out and inform Captain Fritz that he had carried the curtain rods to work that day. Not being a Warren Gullible like you, Mr Smith, I don't believe Captain Fritz and those around him to have been paragons of integrity!

Certainly the shenanigans around the 2 curtain rods tell me my lack of gullibility produces much more coherent results than your surplus of gullibility!

One thing we do now know:

2 curtain rods were found at a location other than the Paine garage; the find was deemed of sufficient importance for the 2 rods to be tested as to whether they bore Mr Oswald's fingerprints.

If you dispute this, I look forward to hearing a logical explanation from you for the fact that 2 curtain rods were submitted to the DPD Crime Scene Search Section on March 15Thumb1:
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Online Richard Smith

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One thing we do now know:

2 curtain rods were found at a location other than the Paine garage; the find was deemed of sufficient importance for the 2 rods to be tested as to whether they bore Mr Oswald's fingerprints.

If you dispute this, I look forward to hearing a logical explanation from you for the fact that 2 curtain rods were submitted to the DPD Crime Scene Search Section on March 15Thumb1:

A false, unproven premise.  According to Ruth Paine, the curtain rods in question were taken from her garage where they had been since the assassination.  There is zero evidence that they came from the TSBD or anywhere else much less that anyone "knows" this.   That is a fantasy that you have concocted as a fact in your own mind.  The explanation for checking them for prints is obvious and has been already explained multiple times.  Oswald used the curtain rods as a cover story to retrieve his rifle.  So the authorities did the obvious thing and checked the only curtain rods that they found.  No great mystery.  If you believe, however, that Oswald handled these curtain rods and took them to the TSBD, explain to us why his prints weren't on them and why the authorities involved in his frame up would bring them to light in March, and how they forced Ruth Paine to lie about them being in her garage.  An opportunity for you to make up another story.

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Offline Alan Ford

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A false, unproven premise.  According to Ruth Paine, the curtain rods in question were taken from her garage where they had been since the assassination.

More weasel words from Mr Smith!  :D

Let's offer the agenda-free version!:

According to Ruth Paine, the curtain rods in question had lain in her garage since the assassination; she gave her permission to the WC for them to be removed and placed on the record; accordingly, they were removed during the WC on-the-record visit to her home on March 23.

Let's add an important observation:

March 15 comes before March 23! Thumb1:

Online Richard Smith

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More weasel words from Mr Smith!  :D

Let's offer the agenda-free version!:

According to Ruth Paine, the curtain rods in question had lain in her garage since the assassination; she gave her permission to the WC for them to be removed and placed on the record; accordingly, they were removed during the WC on-the-record visit to her home on March 23.

Let's add an important observation:

March 15 comes before March 23! Thumb1:

Congrats.  You have solved a mystery of your own creation. Read the part about Ruth Paine and the curtain rods again.  Try to understand how this is inconsistent with your claim about them being found elsewhere.  Your fixation on the dates is strange.  Do you believe no one ever knew or could have known from Paine prior to March 15 that there were curtain rods in her garage?  You are unwilling to accept that they could be removed and checked for prints and then returned for the March 23 session at her home but entertain a wild outlandish fantasy narrative that would accompany their being found in the TSBD, hidden, uncovered again for some unknown reason, and Paine lying about all this from some inexplicable reason? 

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Howlett was well aware that he had removed the curtain rods on the 15th and was just going through the motions during the deposition for demonstration purposes.

For what purpose?  Just dramatic effect?