BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[Alan Ford]

Now!

This Crime Scene Search Section document, which has reduced our Lone Nutter friends to mortified silence, bears an extremely significant entry:



Those two numbers---------275 & 276----------tell us how and why the fix was put in!

Paine home---Irving---Monday March 23:

Mr JENNER. Miss Reporter, the cream colored curtain rod, we will mark Ruth Paine Exhibit 275 and the white one as Ruth Paine Exhibit No. 276.
(The curtain rods referred to were at this time marked by the reporter as Ruth Paine Exhibit Nos. 275 and 276 for identification.)

Do you see it, friends?

 

[Colin Crow]

The part of your post I have bolded: nail on head, sir!

Yes indeed...  Mr Crow can certain crow about that observation .....  Nice catch.... Colin.

All credit to Alan......was pretty clear from his previous posts.

[Colin Crow]

Oswald's blue jacket >> lunch room (from memory)
Oswald's white/tan/gray/polkadot/rainbow jacket>> rooming house (from memory) zipped up on the way to his destiny

Oswald blue jacket found in domino room......not 2nd floor lunchroom......

Salient point is that non-hidden Oswald related evidence was "surprisingly" found some considerable time after the events in the TSBD. Suppose it depends where the rods were found.....but it appears curtain rods were found by March 15.

[Tom Scully]

Now!

This Crime Scene Search Section document, which has reduced our Lone Nutter friends to mortified silence, bears an extremely significant entry:



Those two numbers---------275 & 276----------tell us how and why the fix was put in!

Paine home---Irving---Monday March 23:

Mr JENNER. Miss Reporter, the cream colored curtain rod, we will mark Ruth Paine Exhibit 275 and the white one as Ruth Paine Exhibit No. 276.
(The curtain rods referred to were at this time marked by the reporter as Ruth Paine Exhibit Nos. 275 and 276 for identification.)

Do you see it, friends?

 

Sorry, not understanding your seeming enthusiasm/excitement ....

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/laf6.txt
.........
The LaFontaines clearly want their readers to believe that these
*might* be curtain rods that Oswald brought into the Depository on
November 22nd.  If they are, a major part of the Warren Commission's
case against Oswald collapses.

Jean Davison deserves credit for questioning the LaFontaines treatment
of this issue, and for running down important information.

She contacted Cindy Smolovik, Dallas Municipal Archivist, and asked
about these pictures of "curtain rods."  What the Dallas Archives has
is (1) two pictures of prints, KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM THE
PAINE'S GARAGE, numbered 275 and 276.  (2) A form from the DPD
Identification Bureau showing that Howlett of the Secret Service
submitted to Day two curtain rods, numbered 275 and 276, on March 15,
1964.  Day's notation on this form is "1 legible print -- does not
belong to Oswald."  The form shows the rods were released back to
Howlett on March 24th.

Finally, (3) A form, dated 3-25-64, and numbered 256, with the
notation "opposite those on other side and" [truncated].  The card
shows fingerprints on a curtain rod.

In short, what the Archives has is one set of prints on curtain rods
from the Paine's garage, and another print or prints, not known to be
from the Paine's garage, BUT NOT KNOWN TO BE FROM ANYWERE ELSE EITHER.

Given the dates -- the unidentified fingerprints are dated the day
after Day released the rods back to Howlett -- it seems likely that
this is simply more paperwork on the rods found in the Paine's garage.
.............

[Colin Crow]

I believe Alan's argument considers this statement.......

Mr. JENNER - Now, curtain rods can be of various types. One type of curtain rod, as I remember, is a solid brass rod. Others are hollow. Some are shaped. Would you describe these curtain rods, please?
Mrs. PAINE - They were a light weight.
Mr. JENNER - Excuse me; do you still have them?
Mrs. PAINE - I still have them.
Mr. JENNER - All right.

The testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine was taken at 9:15 a.m., on March 21, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Messrs. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., and Norman Redlich, assistant counsels of the President's Commission.

And there is this.....

Senator COOPER - Can you just describe the length?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Senator COOPER - The length of the reds, at the time you wrapped them.
Mrs. PAINE - They would be 36 inches when pushed together.
Senator COOPER - What?
Mrs. PAINE - They would be about maybe 36 inches when pushed together.
Senator COOPER - You remember wrapping them. Do you remember what the size, the length of the reds were at the time you wrapped them?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Senator COOPER - How long?
Mrs. PAINE - Didn't I answer about 36 inches?
Mr. JENNER - In other words, you pushed them together so that then, they were then their minimum length, unexpanded?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - They were not extended, and in that condition they were 36 inches long?
Mrs. PAINE - Something like that.
Mr. JENNER - Now, how many of them were there?
Mrs. PAINE - Two.

[Tom Scully]

I believe Alan's argument considers this statement.......

Mr. JENNER - Now, curtain rods can be of various types. One type of curtain rod, as I remember, is a solid brass rod. Others are hollow. Some are shaped. Would you describe these curtain rods, please?
Mrs. PAINE - They were a light weight.
Mr. JENNER - Excuse me; do you still have them?
Mrs. PAINE - I still have them.
Mr. JENNER - All right.

The testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine was taken at 9:15 a.m., on March 21, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Messrs. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., and Norman Redlich, assistant counsels of the President's Commission.

And there is this.....

Senator COOPER - Can you just describe the length?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Senator COOPER - The length of the reds, at the time you wrapped them.
Mrs. PAINE - They would be 36 inches when pushed together.
Senator COOPER - What?
Mrs. PAINE - They would be about maybe 36 inches when pushed together.
Senator COOPER - You remember wrapping them. Do you remember what the size, the length of the reds were at the time you wrapped them?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Senator COOPER - How long?
Mrs. PAINE - Didn't I answer about 36 inches?
Mr. JENNER - In other words, you pushed them together so that then, they were then their minimum length, unexpanded?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - They were not extended, and in that condition they were 36 inches long?
Mrs. PAINE - Something like that.
Mr. JENNER - Now, how many of them were there?
Mrs. PAINE - Two.

Colin, there is a reference in and their area of the testimony you quoted
in which the WC Asst Counsel reminds Ruth the curtain rods
in the garage were discussed in her very recent testimony
in DC, in which she agreed to leave the curtain rod
undisturbed. The dates are murky, this won?t be the resolved,
technically the rods were under WC control from the date of
the earlier testimony, per Ruth?s agreement.

[Colin Crow]

OK Tom,

will re-read.....looking for the dates, times and places that Ruth testified.

Meanwhile found this in Michael's testimony

Mr. LIEBELER - Do you say the curtain rods are still in the garage?
Mr. PAINE - Yes, I think so.
Mr. LIEBELER - Approximately how long are they?
Mr. PAINE - Well, I think this is, when they expand, I guess the curtain rods themselves are 32 1/2 inches to 3 feet, but the two of them slide together to make a pair, this expanding type just of rod metal.

[Tim Nickerson]

I believe Alan's argument considers this statement.......

Mr. JENNER - Now, curtain rods can be of various types. One type of curtain rod, as I remember, is a solid brass rod. Others are hollow. Some are shaped. Would you describe these curtain rods, please?
Mrs. PAINE - They were a light weight.
Mr. JENNER - Excuse me; do you still have them?
Mrs. PAINE - I still have them.
Mr. JENNER - All right.

The testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine was taken at 9:15 a.m., on March 21, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Messrs. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., and Norman Redlich, assistant counsels of the President's Commission.

And there is this.....

Senator COOPER - Can you just describe the length?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Senator COOPER - The length of the reds, at the time you wrapped them.
Mrs. PAINE - They would be 36 inches when pushed together.
Senator COOPER - What?
Mrs. PAINE - They would be about maybe 36 inches when pushed together.
Senator COOPER - You remember wrapping them. Do you remember what the size, the length of the reds were at the time you wrapped them?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Senator COOPER - How long?
Mrs. PAINE - Didn't I answer about 36 inches?
Mr. JENNER - In other words, you pushed them together so that then, they were then their minimum length, unexpanded?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - They were not extended, and in that condition they were 36 inches long?
Mrs. PAINE - Something like that.
Mr. JENNER - Now, how many of them were there?
Mrs. PAINE - Two.

Ruth Paine was obviously not aware that the curtain rods had been removed from the garage by Howlett on the 15th.