BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[Alan Ford]

Because Dougherty was not the most reliable of witnesses.

Do you believe he just made this up? If so, why would he do so---especially just after giving to understand that he himself had not seen Mr Oswald carrying a package into the building first thing that morning?

[Oscar Navarro]

Do you believe he just made this up? If so, why would he do so---especially just after giving to understand that he himself had not seen Mr Oswald carrying a package into the building first thing that morning?

Yes, I believe that Dougherty made that up. Let me read both Dougherty and Shelley's testimony and I'll get back to you.

[Alan Ford]

Yes, I believe that Dougherty made that up. Let me read both Dougherty and Shelley's testimony and I'll get back to you.

Great, Mr Navarro, thank you! The best way to discredit one unreliable witness is without doubt to weaponize the testimony of another 

[Richard Smith]

Mr Jack Dougherty to the Warren Commission:

Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

 

So does that mean Oswald was not carrying a package along the size estimated by Frazier?  CTers appear to want to have it both ways.  Relying on Frazier's estimate of a bag as gospel and also citing evidence that Oswald had no long bag at all.  It has to be one or the other.  It can't be both.

[Oscar Navarro]

Great, Mr Navarro, thank you! The best way to discredit one unreliable witness is without doubt to weaponize the testimony of another 

You want to rely on the testimony of Dougherty be my guest. What Mr. Shelley saw was the bag that held the chicken sandwich after the shooting and that's what he probably told Dougherty but, Dougherty being Dougherty, it became a good sized package. Shelley was again questioned after Dougherty and the subject didn't come up so Ball must have by then figured that Dougherty was not a very reliable witness.

[Alan Ford]

So does that mean Oswald was not carrying a package along the size estimated by Frazier?  CTers appear to want to have it both ways.  Relying on Frazier's estimate of a bag as gospel and also citing evidence that Oswald had no long bag at all.  It has to be one or the other.  It can't be both.

Honest researchers start with a question, kooks (of the LN or CT type) with an answer!

Something made Mr Oswald leave the Depository with undue haste, go back to his room, grab a pistol and go to a movie theatre.

You call that something, 'The fact that he had just shot JFK'. To which absurd proposition I react with a laugh!

I call that something, 'Possibly the rifle which he may, at some point, have brought into the Depository'. To which reasonable proposition you will react by repeating, automaton-like, 'He shot JFK! He shot JFK!'

A fun game! 

[Alan Ford]

You want to rely on the testimony of Dougherty be my guest. What Mr. Shelley saw was the bag that held the chicken sandwich after the shooting and that's what he probably told Dougherty

Are you thinking of the sandwich which Mr Shelley testified he had seen Mr C. Givens eating up there earlier in the day? Or the chicken which Mr Shelley more vaguely testified "those colored boys" were always eating?

I'm beginning to see why you consider Mr Shelley such a reliable witness, Mr Navarro-----you don't know his testimony very well!