BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[John Iacoletti]

and thirdly, the SN bag was shown to Frazier on Friday evening, while he was being polygraphed, and he instantly denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry.
>>> Yep. Seems he didn't see Oswald with a darkened bag

So now Chapman thinks the bag was darkened on Friday evening.

The hits just keep coming.

[Walt Cakebread]

So now Chapman thinks the bag was darkened on Friday evening.

The hits just keep coming.

So now Chapman thinks the bag was darkened on Friday evening.

You've made a couple of poor assumptions Mr I.....  First of you suggest that Crapman has the ability to reason.... ( I've never seen any indication of that) and you assume that Crapman knows any of the FACTS.....   I doubt the he knows that the bag was darkened during the testing done by the FBI on Saturday 11/23/63.

He doesn't know anything and constantly displays his ignorance, ....If he'd shut up and listen ...He probably wouldn't appear to be so damned dumb. 

[Richard Smith]

Every time you have nothing of substance to contribute, you resort to misplaced sarcasm, whilst at the same time missing the point that was being made.

It's probably in vain, but I'll gladly waste a bit of my time to explain something as basic as this to you, although I expect it goes way over your head anyway. But here goes;

Oscar can not claim that "no other bag was found in the TSBD that would fit the description and circumstances as described by LMR and BWF" when the TSBD was never searched for that kind of bag to begin with.

I hope that's not to complicated for you to understand.

Let me guess? but you can of course assume that he wasn't being truthful, right?

Too bad for you that it wasn't only Frazier who gave the description. His sister did as well.

Who cares what he didn't see when we know that he saw Oswald carry a flimsy bag not one made from TSBD heavy duty wrapping paper.

That's typical idiot logic.  There is no evidence that they were searching for the first bag but that was found.  It had Oswald's prints on it.  Game over.

[Martin Weidmann]

That's typical idiot logic.  There is no evidence that they were searching for the first bag but that was found.  It had Oswald's prints on it.  Game over.

Richard, if you have nothing of any value to add, why don't you simply not post rather than exposing yourself as a complete idiot time after time?

A bag made from TSBD materials allegedly found inside the TSBD where Oswald happened to work.

Did anyone see Oswald make that bag? No
Did anyone see that bag in Oswald's possession? No
Was there any evidence that there ever was a rifle in that bag? No

Where there other prints on that bag that were not identified? Yes

Game over? Nah, game on!

[Bill Chapman]

Every time you have nothing of substance to contribute, you resort to misplaced sarcasm, whilst at the same time missing the point that was being made.

It's probably in vain, but I'll gladly waste a bit of my time to explain something as basic as this to you, although I expect it goes way over your head anyway. But here goes;

Oscar can not claim that "no other bag was found in the TSBD that would fit the description and circumstances as described by LMR and BWF" when the TSBD was never searched for that kind of bag to begin with.

I hope that's not to complicated for you to understand.

Let me guess? but you can of course assume that he wasn't being truthful, right?

Too bad for you that it wasn't only Frazier who gave the description. His sister did as well.

Who cares what he didn't see when we know that he saw Oswald carry a flimsy bag not one made from TSBD heavy duty wrapping paper.

Martin Weidmann: Haughty/Condescending Individual#1
A year or so ago, you said I was not worth posting to, yet here you are.

Buell was shown the fingerprinted bag at another time, when he indicated it could have been the bag he saw. And Randle testified to the bag being a thick wrapping-type paper, not the kind found in grocery stores.

Why are you mentioning Oscar to me? You sound like you want me to chime in on that. Well, the police searched the TSBD long enough to find a high-powered rifle. The casings were a bonus, and the bag not expected. You wouldn't happen to be implying that other rifles and other gun bags should have been expected to be found elsewhere in the TSBD that day, now would you, Lord Haughty?

[Colin Crow]

Are you thinking of the sandwich which Mr Shelley testified he had seen Mr C. Givens eating up there earlier in the day? Or the chicken which Mr Shelley more vaguely testified "those colored boys" were always eating?

I'm beginning to see why you consider Mr Shelley such a reliable witness, Mr Navarro-----you don't know his testimony very well! 

The chicken that Givens denied having......seems we can have bits of testimony for all seasons......

[Colin Crow]

Mr. BALL - Now, did you find any chicken bones up there or see any?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, I went up later on that day; I believe after we had gotten back from City Hall with someone, I don't remember who it was, one of the officers and they got them.
Mr. BALL - They did what?
Mr. SHELLEY - They got the bones.
Mr. BALL - Where were they?
Mr. SHELLEY - They were on the third--yeah, it would be the third window from the southeast corner.
Mr. BALL - And were they in a sack?
Mr. SHELLEY - Laying on a sack.
Mr. BALL - Laying on a sack?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, sir; with a coke bottle sitting in the window.

That's the part of the testimony I'm referring to. Now, since you're such an expert in Shelley's testimony why don't you show when it was that he saw Givens with a lunch paper sack? Also, tell us why Shelley should not be considered a reliable witness as compared to Dougherty.

So it seems that Shelley was back on the 6th floor before Johnson left with the bones inside the bag at 3pm. He saw the repositioned bones on to of the bag and their final resting place near the third set of windows. Of course we know that a number of officers reported the chicken bones and or bag originally close to the SN.

Just wondering how many bags were fingerprinted in the TSBD that day and by whom? Anyone like to answer?