BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members

Author Topic: BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963  (Read 311814 times)

Online Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8170
The fact that no other bag was found in the TSBD that would fit the description and circumstances as described by LMR and BWF.

So, it's nothing more than assumption?.

First of all, there is no record of the TSBD being searched for other bags. Secondly, the bag allegedly found at the SN did not match the description given by BWF and thirdly, the SN bag was shown to Frazier on Friday evening, while he was being polygraphed, and he instantly denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry.

Try dealing with known facts instead of assumption for once!

Offline Bill Chapman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6506
Mr Jack Dougherty to the Warren Commission:

Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.


 ???

That went nowhere

Offline Walt Cakebread

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7322
Both LMR and BWF saw Oswald carry a large bag that morning and the bag was found in the SN so there is a basis for fact.

Both LMR and BWF saw Oswald carry a large bag that morning and the bag was found in the SN so there is a basis for fact.

"Both LMR and BWF saw Oswald carry a large bag that morning"    Yes that what they said....And they both said the bag they saw Lee carry was about 27 inches long...   That Mr Navaroo is 3/4 of a foot too short to conceal a 36 inch rifle.

"and the bag was found in the SN so there is a basis for fact."

The FACT is....The bag that was ALLEGEDLY found in the SE corner of the sixth floor was DEFINITELY NOT the bag that Frazier saw Lee carry that morning...And he told the DPD interrogators that the bag that they were showing him was NOT the bag that Lee was carrying that morning.

Offline Bill Chapman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6506
So, it's nothing more than assumption?.

First of all, there is no record of the TSBD being searched for other bags.
>>> Dang it! The DPD should have instantly put out an APB for suspicious looking, rifle-sized paper bags (with the caution that they may still be armed)  ;)

Secondly, the bag allegedly found at the SN did not match the description given by BWF
>>> You're assuming Frazier was being truthful. Frazier, the guy who drove the (eventual) prime suspect to the (eventual) scene of the crime.

and thirdly, the SN bag was shown to Frazier on Friday evening, while he was being polygraphed, and he instantly denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry.
>>> Yep. Seems he didn't see Oswald with a darkened bag
« Last Edit: March 02, 2019, 07:39:38 PM by Bill Chapman »

Online Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8170
First of all, there is no record of the TSBD being searched for other bags.
>>> Dang it! The DPD should have instantly put out an APB for suspicious looking, rifle-sized paper bags (with the caution that they may still be armed)  ;)

Every time you have nothing of substance to contribute, you resort to misplaced sarcasm, whilst at the same time missing the point that was being made.

It's probably in vain, but I'll gladly waste a bit of my time to explain something as basic as this to you, although I expect it goes way over your head anyway. But here goes;

Oscar can not claim that "no other bag was found in the TSBD that would fit the description and circumstances as described by LMR and BWF" when the TSBD was never searched for that kind of bag to begin with.

I hope that's not to complicated for you to understand.

Quote
Secondly, the bag allegedly found at the SN did not match the description given by BWF
>>> You're assuming Frazier was being truthful. Frazier, the guy who drove the (eventual) prime suspect to the (eventual) scene of the crime.

Let me guess? but you can of course assume that he wasn't being truthful, right?

Too bad for you that it wasn't only Frazier who gave the description. His sister did as well.

Quote
and thirdly, the SN bag was shown to Frazier on Friday evening, while he was being polygraphed, and he instantly denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry.
>>> Yep. Seems he didn't see Oswald with a (partially) two-toned bag

Who cares what he didn't see when we know that he saw Oswald carry a flimsy bag not one made from TSBD heavy duty wrapping paper.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2019, 07:44:21 PM by Martin Weidmann »

Offline Walt Cakebread

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7322
Every time you have nothing of substance to contribute, you resort to misplaced sarcasm, whilst at the same time missing the point that was being made.

It's probably in vain, but I'll gladly waste a bit of my time to explain something as basic as this to you, although I expect it goes way over your head anyway. But here goes;

Oscar can not claim that "no other bag was found in the TSBD that would fit the description and circumstances as described by LMR and BWF" when the TSBD was never searched for that kind of bag to begin with.

I hope that's not to complicated for you to understand.

Let me guess? but you can of course assume that he wasn't being truthful, right?

Too bad for you that it wasn't only Frazier who gave the description. His sister did as well.

Who cares what he didn't see when we know that he saw Oswald carry a flimsy bag not one made from TSBD heavy duty wrapping paper.

I'm starting to think that this Oscar guy......is the puppet from Sesame Street.....

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11351
The evidence says so.

No it doesn?t. Your evidence that CE 142 is the same package that Frazier saw is that you want it to be the same package.

Either way, there?s no evidence that a rifle was ever in either package, so I?m not sure what difference it makes.